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  1.    22 Sep 2015 #1
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    Upset with Windows 10 - Need to vent


    Hi there, I just want to vent.

    As someone experienced with computers I have to say it took me 6 days of hard work to make my Windows 10 to startup and this is unacceptable.

    Even now I have disabled a lot of features to keep it from breaking. The store doesn't work, the metro apps are all broken and I am stuck because all "solutions" are guaranteed to break something else.

    I am not here to ask for help because no such thing exists; I have already tried all possible ways and they all result in my laptop not being able to boot.

    The problem ultimately is that Windows automatically updates my graphics card driver with one that causes the system to fail and not boot. (Intel HD Generation 1). Alternative drivers do exist that work well but in order to bypass the automatic update you need to do a whole bunch of voodoo such as complete the Intallation of window 10 with internet switched off - and then immediately turn it to "Metered". This will activate windows but all metro apps, the store and few other features will remain permanently broken because activation didn't happen at the right time.

    Repairing is not an option cause the "Repair" installs the broken driver so it destroys everything instead of actually repairing. Disabling the "automatic driver update" from the control panel somehow doesn't seem to actually stop Windows from installing the faulty driver so not sure why it's even there for. I'm sure they added it to troll you.

    The reason for this vent is that Windows 10 created an impossible OS to reason with. They have taken so much ownership of knowing what is "good for you" and forcing it upon you, that when they get it wrong you are stuck in limbo and you need to hack your way into a working OS.

    Microsoft will do nothing to fix this. Intel have made a statement that they do not intend to update their drivers for old generation cards. DELL, the laptop manifacturer claims it's all Intel's fault.

    If we had a bit more control over these "updates" this could be easily addressed. But that means we need to be given an option at the first stages of the Installation to disable certain driver updates, not afterwards. It's a simple fix but Microsoft won't do it and as a result Windows 10 is going to remain incompatible for a lot of systems.

    Right now I have been using my hacked half-working version of Windows 10 for a week and it's not sustainable.

    Not pleased with this at all.
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  2.    22 Sep 2015 #2
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  3.    22 Sep 2015 #3
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    Yes of course, none of these suggestions work. Not sure what it does, but it certainly doesn't stop the update.

    I don't have access to the Local Group Policy Editor because I am using the Home edition. However the other suggestions result in a non-bootable system. That means hours of effort to format and re-install Windows 10, not to mention loss of data.

    Anyway not looking for solutions any more, I just wanted to vent and let all this frustration out.
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  4.    22 Sep 2015 #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by nkomp18 View Post
    Yes of course, none of these suggestions work. Not sure what it does, but it certainly doesn't stop the update.

    I don't have access to the Local Group Policy Editor because I am using the Home edition. However the other suggestions result in a non-bootable system. That means hours of effort to format and re-install Windows 10, not to mention loss of data.

    Anyway not looking for solutions any more, I just wanted to vent and let all this frustration out.
    Have you considered taking it to a shop and let them have a go at it?? Or can you go back to the previous OS??
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  5.    22 Sep 2015 #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by nkomp18 View Post
    Yes of course, none of these suggestions work. Not sure what it does, but it certainly doesn't stop the update.

    I don't have access to the Local Group Policy Editor because I am using the Home edition. However the other suggestions result in a non-bootable system. That means hours of effort to format and re-install Windows 10, not to mention loss of data.

    Anyway not looking for solutions any more, I just wanted to vent and let all this frustration out.
    I know you said you aren't looking for solutions anymore, but I had a similar situation that I solved with this program:
    How to Uninstall and Block Updates and Drivers on Windows 10

    I use the Intel HD drivers, and Windows 10 wanted me to use generic drivers. This program allows me to tell Windows 10 to stop downloading updates I don't want and need, and to quit overriding my preferences.

    Now I can use the drivers I want, without further issue. Hope it works for you as well. Cheers.

    Edit for clarity the actual software is located here:
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...source=twitter
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  6.    22 Sep 2015 #6
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    Hi Platypus

    I did try this many days ago. Setting my internet connection as metered does the job, but the other suggestions didn't work for me.
    I tried uninstalling the driver from the Device manager after windows installation (it gets installed during the installation process if internet isn't off) but it still caused the booting issue. I
    also tried the "Hide update" tool which showed me that it worked but when I set my connection to unmetered, it went ahead and downloaded the driver anyway (!).

    Every time an experiment fails, it results in many hours of work to get the laptop running again so there's a limit to how many variations of the same fix I am willing to try. 6 days of experimenting means I tried about 12 different things so far, on average 2 per day and at least now I have a half working system that can reboot.

    When I get the energy, I am willing to try a couple of suggestions because I do want to be able to download updates and to have the metro apps and the store working. Maybe soon they will realise their mistake and produce a fix to how updates are handled. At the very least they should stop forcing destructive drivers onto people's laptops.

    I guess what I'm hoping for is that venting on these forums might help them notice and do something about it.
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  7.    22 Sep 2015 #7
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    Hi again nkomp18

    I think you need to download and install Macrium Reflect Free. It allows you to make an image of your drive in perfect condition, and if anything happens to mess it up, you can restore the image to exactly like it was.

    I have even used Macrium to move my setup from one machine to a completely separate machine. This elimates having to do installs, or remember how the machine is set up. I set it up once, and I use it like that forever. The only time this changes is when MS releases a new operating system. And since they're claiming Win 10 is the last windows, I may never need to do another Windows Install on my main rig again.

    The restore feature is of course much faster if you have an SSD drive. I did a restore of a 50 GB windows partition to my SSD a couple days ago, and that took 6 mins (on my regular hard drive it takes about 18 mins).

    So from broken unbootable PC to PC set up with all my favorite programs, to my desktop organized with Fences in just the way I want it in 6 mins.

    You can't beat that with a Louisville slugger.

    And that way you can tinker with what the folks at MS think they fixed, without having to stress out over it.
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  8.    22 Sep 2015 #8
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    That is actually a good idea and I did try to create a recovery image and couldn't find a way.

    Also, "restoring" to a previous point seems to also work but it's only useful after you've resolved the problem otherwise the only restore point that you can go to is the one during the installation, which brings your computer back to the pre-setup phase and again forces you to install the broken driver again.

    So right now I do have a restore point in place that is relatively safe and doesn't take me to the installation step, but an image would be a lot easier to use.

    Thanks
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  9.    22 Sep 2015 #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by nkomp18 View Post
    That is actually a good idea and I did try to create a recovery image and couldn't find a way.

    Also, "restoring" to a previous point seems to also work but it's only useful after you've resolved the problem otherwise the only restore point that you can go to is the one during the installation, which brings your computer back to the pre-setup phase and again forces you to install the broken driver again.

    So right now I do have a restore point in place that is relatively safe and doesn't take me to the installation step, but an image would be a lot easier to use.

    Thanks

    If I were you I would take a Macrium Image of that drive right this second.
    I have found images to be much more robust, and stable than MS's system restore. I don't even use Restore Points anymore, and haven't for about 3 years.

    They take up space, and I found them to be unreliable. Macrium images I found to be fail safe so long as the disk they're stored on (external hard drive, USB drive) doesn't fail.

    For your own sanity do a macrium image, and learn how to to the restores. Doing restores requires you do a one time procedure where you make a boot disk, but after that like I said in the previous post, in less than 20 mins you're back to where you were before like nothing bad happened.

    Macrium Reflect Free


    P.S. I'm also happy to help you with learning the imaging and restoring procedure.
    Last edited by PlatypusKnight; 22 Sep 2015 at 11:03. Reason: Added URL
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  10.    22 Sep 2015 #10
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    I have another suggestion. How about setting the following command from an elevated command prompt:

    bcdedit /set {default} bootmenupolicy legacy

    This enables the F8 key at boot time to be able to boot into safe mode and such. Maybe you could boot to standard vga driver when anything goes bad.
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