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  1. Joined : Aug 2015
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       18 Sep 2015 #11

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    The problem there is that that is with the "Free" version while the Professional options for something like this are only seen with the paid for plus or pro versions. The compression ratio is a bit steep when you review the steps for seeing the 1tb half the size drive go to the 120gb which is even smaller 2 to 1 for the 2tb to 1tb while the 500gb to 120gb is even steeper when you match the project for each. 1tb to 120gb and 2tb to 500gb or one quarter compared to the lesst then 1/8th explained in the article but with recommendations included for how to go about thing. Risky Business!<SNIP>.
    Just as a follow-through since OP is happy already -

    I wouldn't know from Professional or Plus versions (I think those are v5 names, not sure) - My comments are based on experience with the V6 (current) free and paid Home versions and, more specifically, the Macrium Knowledge Base I linked to.

    There is no compression going on there, only relocation of data as necessary within the bounds of a maximum size allowed (constrained by target disk size) and a minimum size allowed (constrained by the amount of data already in the source partition).

    An example: If you have an oversized 4th partition needing resized you might have a 5th and 6th partition remaining to fit on the disk and, in that case, you would resize that 4th partition on the fly to an amount below maximum in an amount equal to or less than the size of the 5th and 6th partitions combined. Did this on the phone with another forum member on the phone recently (while restoring an image, not cloning, but it works the same).
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  2. Joined : Apr 2014
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       18 Sep 2015 #12

    baldredhead said: View Post
    Thanks for all your responses. Very informative. In the end I did a clean install using the Media Creation Tool. Spent a good portion of last night doing it, and It was a PITA, but for the most part I've got things the way I want them.

    One issue left unresolved is how to encrypt my SSD. I can do the software encryption with Bitlocker, but I've read that causes a performance hit. I don't want that, especially since I found out that my motherboard has only SATA II sockets.

    This SSD has hardware encryption, but cruising around the Internet it's hard to find good information about how to enable that. Also, I did disable Secure Boot before I did the install. Should I re-enable it?

    Thanks again for all the help!
    For the Secure Boot that will depend a great deal on the board you have there and whether you have UEFI or not. The option would be found under security if present in the bios setup. With it enabled again you would have to go back in there to disable it all over again if you should need to boot from either the 10 media or Recovery Drive however.

    As for encryping SSDs there are a number of programs to look over for that purpose like Secure Device or TrueCrypt as two options there besides the BitLocker addon for 10. You might want to read up on that a little before deciding which option to go with. The first one I can point you to instructs on how to see the BitLocker tool enabled in 10. How To Enable BitLocker Drive Encryption In Windows 10?

    For the amount of empty drive space you will end up with one write pass will cover the small amount you will have remaining if you do end up transferring the 370gb total amount less about 17gb for the previous 10 install then adding device drivers, updates, etc. that you won't packing up to move over. Once you do have everything the way you want it would be a good idea to make a full system image of the entire drive itself in case you should run into some other problem later. You have plenty of drive space for that on the larger drive.

    Word Man said: View Post
    Just as a follow-through since OP is happy already -

    I wouldn't know from Professional or Plus versions (I think those are v5 names, not sure) - My comments are based on experience with the V6 (current) free and paid Home versions and, more specifically, the Macrium Knowledge Base I linked to.

    There is no compression going on there, only relocation of data as necessary within the bounds of a maximum size allowed (constrained by target disk size) and a minimum size allowed (constrained by the amount of data already in the source partition).

    An example: If you have an oversized 4th partition needing resized you might have a 5th and 6th partition remaining to fit on the disk and, in that case, you would resize that 4th partition on the fly to an amount below maximum in an amount equal to or less than the size of the 5th and 6th partitions combined. Did this on the phone with another forum member on the phone recently (while restoring an image, not cloning, but it works the same).
    If you were following what I was posting you would have also read the article pointed to where the blog writer is the one making the "general suggestion" to look at the plus, pro, premium, or whatever name a particular software uses for the deluxe version rather then the typically less featured home versions marketed. I knew right where the blogger was going with that.

    As for compression I was simply using that as an example since if you were to take one of the 2tb drives here and try the same you would find things a bit different like 1100gb to fit on a 500gb drive without any compression of data? That's not going to happen.

    For the 370gb there that comes upto about 70-75% of the total 465gb average available drive space seen with a 500gb model drive the issue concerning the loss of performance comes up as it would for any other drive with exceptions for the technologies involved. It's how NAND type Flash memory storage works as a rule of thumb. And one reason perhaps besides the higher prices I still haven't been that concerned about not having any! The 1tb models can pay for a new custom build! Why Solid-State Drives Slow Down As You Fill Them Up
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  3. Joined : Aug 2015
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       19 Sep 2015 #13

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    If you were following what I was posting you would have also read the article pointed to where the blog writer is the one making the "general suggestion" to look at the plus, pro, premium, or whatever name a particular software uses for the deluxe version rather then the typically less featured home versions marketed. I knew right where the blogger was going with that.
    You're right, Night Hawk, that I hadn't followed the link back to the PC World article. Now that I have, I was getting the point from the writer more that you shouldn't necessarily trust SSD ("free") manufacturer software to do the best job for migration - and this is often discussed by users as being the case for the Samsung Migration software. My intent was more to cover that Macrium Reflect, at the free and Home version level, is perfectly capable of doing necessary shrinkage as part of the cloning or image/restore process.

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    As for compression I was simply using that as an example since if you were to take one of the 2tb drives here and try the same you would find things a bit different like 1100gb to fit on a 500gb drive without any compression of data? That's not going to happen.
    I was triggered by the word compression and apologize for not parsing that in the context of your prior post - I actually thought you meant data compression as Windows provides rather than the compression of a partition going from 20% full to 80% as in the case of OP.

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    For the 370gb there that comes upto about 70-75% of the total 465gb average available drive space seen with a 500gb model drive the issue concerning the loss of performance comes up as it would for any other drive with exceptions for the technologies involved. It's how NAND type Flash memory storage works as a rule of thumb. And one reason perhaps besides the higher prices I still haven't been that concerned about not having any! The 1tb models can pay for a new custom build! Why Solid-State Drives Slow Down As You Fill Them Up
    Understood - I wouldn't let an SSD with my OS stand at 80% full due to user data content either and would do my best to migrate data to another drive and trim excess to at least 50% or less. The data migration part COULD follow SSD receiving cloning and installation but certainly I'd prefer the SSD only see a virgin OS, as you discussed, and then only have data added as might be necessary.

    Fortunately (or not) for me, the mass of my user data is stored in an XP desktop and external drives complex for the time being and my ONE experience with installing an SSD (so far) has been changing out the 1TB spinner in my new Dell laptop to the same SSD posted about by the OP. So, I was trying more to address specific context of OP where they started the thread and not so much generalize.

    You covered the general case well and that's quite useful in helping others strategize this type of move.
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  4. Joined : Apr 2014
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       19 Sep 2015 #14

    I've literally run into problems in the past back when having a pair of 250gb ide drives filled fast and running smack into loading problems until actually nuking scores of files off of a drive! At the time of course we were all running the 32bit Windows not the 64bit except for the rare XP Pro x64 or when Vista arrived. The paging file and restore points were forgotten about when filling the drives up!

    Here I tend to keep drives even storage drives under 70% full while the last two 1tb in were getting there and between those two and a 3rd in an external enclosure the pair of 2tb drives are now over the half way point! The OS drives are 1tb with the 10 drive now seeing 436gb while the 7 drive that's been in use now for a full 5yrs. has 461gb used up. Subtract that from the 920gb approximate drive space available for an empty 1tb drive and I am not doing too bad while it could be better for the spinners!

    With SSDs one drawback is the amount of times a drive can be written to like about 3000 writes or so they say? But people want the performance out of them over the mechanical. But here's a look at the endurance factor one blog brings up. http://www.storagesearch.com/ssdmyths-endurance.html

    Intel and other brands make the claims their drives are good for 5yrs. when writing 20gb daily to a drive. I might consider a 1tb model SSD when it comes time to build a totally new pc once the prices have come down a bit. Until then I get 2tb for only $65 compared to the nearly $1,000 for the 1tb size? When people couldn't figure out why I didn't rush after a 120gb SSD for 7 years back I can answer now that I have OS drives that seem to remain just under 50% full with over 400gb on them!
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