How much unallocated space to leave around a bad sector?


  1. Posts : 36
    Windows 10 Home 64Bit OEM, Version 1909 (OS Build 18363.1139)
       #1

    How much unallocated space to leave around a bad sector?


    I have a very old 1 TB hard drive with one bad sector. Using the "Surface Test" option in Macrorit Partition Expert v8.1.0 I have narrowed down its location down to the exact Megabyte (it's at at 887.288 MB of 953.867 MB).

    How much unallocated space to leave around a bad sector?-screenshot.30130_edit_forumupload-use-jpg-.jpg


    chkdsk /F didn't even find that bad sector.

    It's probably a physical fault too*, though not one that has had a chance to cause any problems yet.

    (Yeah, I know. Bad sectors are, err, bad. I only intend to use the drive as backup, and probably for files that don't change very often, either... at least not for now. But a backup of those files *should* exist, and currently doesn't yet.)

    Definitely don't wanna aggravate that bad sector though, hence I'm using Macrorit Partition Expert to "split" the disk, and leaving some room around the bad sector. Everything currently on the drive is already moved elsewhere and can be deleted from here.

    My question is simply: How much space should I / do I have to leave unallocated around the bad sector? 100 MB in either direction? 1 GB?

    Like I said, I know it's exact location.







    *The only reason I initially investigated the drive was because of CrystalDiskInfo reporting about 11 (in decimal) Current Pending Sectors - and the number got a little larger (first 15, then 17 [in decimal]) simply from "rightclick->properties" on a specific directory on the drive.
    Got all my data out, only one unimportant file failed to copy. Even verified the backup was correct with Synchredible Backup's "compare file content" option, which surprisingly did not negatively affect the Current Pending Sector Count. I'd left the drive alone for the last few years, but I've run low on space atm so I came back around to it.
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  2. Posts : 41,475
    windows 10 professional version 1607 build 14393.969 64 bit
       #2

    Consider running chkdsk /b /v from a bootable flash drive.


    Code:
    /b	
    Use with NTFS only. 
    Clears the list of bad clusters on the volume and rescans all allocated and free clusters for errors. 
    /b includes the functionality of /r. 
    Use this parameter after imaging a volume to a new hard disk drive.

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/wi...s=event-viewer
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  3. Posts : 43,007
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #3

    1 bad sector on the whole disk surface should have no effect whatsoever. Why? there's a pool of spare sectors provided when the disk is manufactured, and swapping sectors from the pool is managed by drive firmware.

    Sure, a surface test can reveal them. But only if a sector fails and causes data corruption does it become significant.

    For a much clearer picture of your drive's condition, get a copy of Hard Disk Sentinel (full functional trial, covers SSDs too) - simply launch it and use tabs on left to select your disk - then read the result.
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  4. Posts : 6,345
    Windows 11 Pro - Windows 7 HP - Lubuntu
       #4

    It's a bad sector or a bad cluster?
    If it is only one and isn't growing, don't do anything. It's quite normal to have one or more bad cluster on a disk. It will be marked as bad and the drive can be used normally.
    A backup is always recommended.
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  5. Posts : 11,627
    Windows11 Home 64bit v:23H2 b:22631.3374
       #5

    HedgeToaster said:
    My question is simply: How much space should I / do I have to leave unallocated around the bad sector? 100 MB in either direction? 1 GB?

    Like I said, I know it's exact location.
    @HedgeToaster,

    This idea is simply not practical and maintainable. Throw it into the dust bin.

    As you said bad sectors are bad sectors.. You have no control; over it and as such cannot fence those.. Though at this time the number of bad sectors may be less, sooner or later the bad sectors may start showing up all over the disk. Only way to check whether the bad sectors are increasing is to keep monitoring the disk periodically. I did it with Hard Disk Sentinel.

    My case: Initially the bad sectors on my system disk a Toshiba 1TB HDD were at the fag end of the drive in DellSupport partition and I started monitoring..( The PC was put into service in Dec 2019) Now look at the following screenshot showing the progression of the bad sectors.

    How much unallocated space to leave around a bad sector?-21-07-2023-22-59-26.jpg

    Till about July 2022 the number of bad sectors 0 (zero). Thereafter the numbers increased slowly at first till June 2023 and then it started galloping day by day. By July 23 It had sharply increased to 999 and the disk health had sharply fallen to 11%.. Since all these sectors were remapped into the reserved sectors, it did not impair my system and there was no data loss,.But a failure was imminent. Hard Disk Sentinel estimated the life as 15 days more.. But well before, I had cloned the disk and replaced the disk 0n 14 Aug 23. Now my system is operating on a 1TB Crucial SSD.

    So if you want to continue using the HDD, as @dalchina said in his post #3, keep monitoring the number of bad sectors and disk health with the Trial version of Hard Disk Sentinel and quit before disaster strikes, ( You cannot keep on building partitions to contain the bad sectors and fence those. (An MBR disk - 4 partitions. A GPT disk 128 Partitions. Bad sectors thousands )

    Note: You can see more screenshots of my failing disk in my thread here Is my HDD failing?
    Last edited by jumanji; 13 Jan 2024 at 10:36.
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  6. Posts : 43,007
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #6

    Another interesting feature of HDS!
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  7. Posts : 42
    Windows 10 Pro 22H2
       #7

    I totally agree with both Dalchina & Jumanji.

    dalchina

    "1 bad sector on the whole disk surface should have no effect whatsoever. "

    -- manufacturers always leave a bunch of space to use in the case of bad sectors developing; this is normal and keeps our data safe

    jumanji

    "This idea is simply not practical and maintainable. Throw it into the dust bin."

    --#1 IF there is an actual hardware issue, you will experience this also. However, are you IT knowledgeable enough to keep track of it and to preserve your data BEFORE loss can occur?

    SO, although I know that bad sectors are a normal part of storage devices by their nature, I also do not want to loose any of my data.
    That being said, if one of my backup drives starts to act up, I replace it immediately and use the suspected faulty drive for non-critical work. I might install some non-critical apps on it for example or I might use it solely as a "temp folder" or "scratch disk" drive. I might just toss it if I decide it's not worth it to take any chances.

    Storage space is fairly cheap most of the time.

    Also, I have seen brand new, top end drives fail out fo the box, within a couple days/weeks/months - we need to be aware of this to.

    SO, my BEST advice, is to ditch that drive and purchase 2 (or more) drives to replace it.
    Duplicate the backup so each drive is mirrored and have exactly the same data stored on them.

    If one gets pooched your data is safe. Replace the failing drive. Migrate your data to it, resume 2 back up drive system.

    I personally have 4 drives storing my personal/work data. SO, 3 of them could fail right now and I could still recover.
    2 of them are located on my server - backup daily, 1 of them is in a docking station - I back up to this one once per month - 1 is in my main desktop.

    I have lost all my data before - it's a bitch - so no more.

    Have fun
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