Ok to remove built-in Lenovo laptop battery?

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  1. Posts : 16,966
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       #31

    Berton said:
    One of my daily-use Dell Notebooks [Vostro 3400] has that additional place for a 2.5" drive, haven't decided on one of the 1TB HDDs I have salvaged from otherwise junked Notebooks or a new SSD for power considerations.
    I replaced my additional HDD with an SSD just to see if I would notice any difference in performance. I didn't.
    But I only use the additional disk for
    - local [interim] backups of various files
    - a central hub of file copies for syncing across to my phone
    - mp3 files
    - video files
    so the result is what I expected.
    Like you, I think it probably consumes less power but I haven't tested that.


    All the best,
    Denis
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  2. Posts : 427
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       #32

    Try3 said:
    Lenovo support recently told me that losing 2% of battery charge every day when shutdown is normal.
    My Lenovo IdeaPad does that.


    Lithium batteries can physically degrade at 0% charge but not always. In your case, I would expect some degradation but there's no telling how much.
    - I've recharged some fully-drained batteries that have been fine afterwards & have kept working for years.
    - I've recharged some fully-drained batteries and they've only been able to keep the computer running for little more than the blink of an eye.
    - I've attempted to recharge some fully-drained batteries but they have failed to recharge.
    I suggest that you connect it to power and find out if it recharges properly while you are around to keep an eye on it.
    And, after its fully charged again, find out the ratio of its current full charge to its design charge by running a PowerCfg battery report.
    Code:
    PowerCfg /batteryreport /output E:\PowerData\BatteryReport.html /Duration 1
    using a real folder on your computer in place of my E:\PowerData path.
    There is a lot of other data in a battery report but all you are interested in are its Full charge capacity & its Design capacity.
    Attachment 402158

    Then try using it for a while to see if it behaves itself. If it has recharged alright, if it has a decent ratio of Full charge capacity to Design capacity and if it powers the computer for a decent period then there is no reason to be worried about battery damage.
    I've deliberately used decent because there are no specific numbers that are right or wrong.
    - If that ratio is below 50% then I make a note to start thinking about maybe buying a replacement someday.
    - If it no longer powers my computer for as long as I regard as essential, but used to, then I buy a replacement.


    Your Lenovo Hardware Maintenance Manual should give you decent guidance when doing this job. I downloaded mine from the same Lenovo support section that I use for downloading drivers & a user manual.
    I have never heard of a laptop that could not be used without its battery being fitted but I think you should ask Lenovo support or see if you can get an authoritative statement about it in the Lenovo user forums.


    On my own Lenovo IdeaPad, it's the F2 key. It is not Fn-F2 despite having a Fn key on my keyboard. It is just F2.
    And I think all other Lenovo Ideapads use the same as the Bios key. See Recommended way to enter BIOS - ideapad - Lenovo Support GB

    My own Lenovo IdeaPad's Bios does have a disable battery setting in the Bios, Configuration section.
    But it states quite clearly that this is merely a temporary disabling. So it is not suitable for what you have in mind.
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    Yes, the functions would be restored and would work again but you would have to set up some of its entries again.
    So it is always worth recording Bios settings in case they get lost. I take photos of each Bios section when I get a new computer, when its Bios gets updated & when I change any settings.


    I noticed some discussion of the separate subject of CMOS batteries earlier on in the thread.
    My own Lenovo IdeaPad does not have one.
    But some laptops do [my Dell Inspiron laptop does] so there's no telling whether yours does or not.
    If your computer has a CMOS battery, your Lenovo Hardware Maintenance Manual should refer to its replacement [possibly just calling it a "coin-cell" battery].
    That UTube video one shows a CMOS battery on the left-hand side.
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    Similarly, your Lenovo Hardware Maintenance Manual should resolve that matter.
    You might, like many of us, have an M.2 card as your SSD. An M.2 card is very small, about 2cm [3/4inches] wide and a maximum of about 8cm [3inches] long. Here's mine. It's a replacement. The original Lenovo one was half the length [but, like all M.2 cards, the same width] and was completely hidden by its metal heat shield.
    Attachment 402163
    And here is the shorter M.2 card my Lenovo IdeaPad came with and its heat shield.
    Attachment 402171
    That UTube video might show your M.2 SSD in the middle of the picture but it is not clear enough for me to be sure. It is definitely an M.2 device of some kind and it's the same size as the M.2 SSD my Lenovo IdeaPad came with.
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    NVMe M.2 cards look about the same as SATA M.2 cards. You have to look at their connections to see the difference - the layout of gaps between individual connection pins differs.
    NVMe M.2 cards have really become the M.2 SSD standard these days. They are cheaper & faster and people bother making larger & larger ones whilst they've mostly stopped making SATA M.2 cards bigger than 1TB.
    And NVMe M.2 cards have really become the standard for laptop 'disks'. My 2026 Dell Inspiron has an M.2 SATA 'disk' and when that computer eventually dies I do not expect to see another one.


    Incidentally, that UTube video also shows what seem to me to be an unused 2.5inch SSD frame. That holds out the possibility that it can fit both an M.2 SSD [as the main OS & applications drive] and a cheaper yet larger 2.5inch SSD [for, say, mp3 files & video files].
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    - My Dell Inspiron laptop also has that capability & I find it extremely useful.
    - My own Lenovo IdeaPad does not.
    Your original specs should tell you if your computer has that capability.
    And your Lenovo Hardware Maintenance Manual would also resolve that matter by including instructions for replacing both types of SSD.


    Best of luck,
    Denis
    Thank you! That's a lot of information to digest, but I'll do my best!

    It just surprises me that my Lenovo battery drains so much. My Dell computer, which is an inspiron, has a removable battery that doesn't drain at all when the computer is shut down whether it is installed or not. I also have other devices such as a smartphone that has a lithium battery that does not drain at all when it is shut down.

    I charged the battery back up after it was down to zero, and I noticed that it was taking noticeably longer to charge than normal. But it did manage to charge.
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  3. Posts : 6,361
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       #33

    Delly10 said:
    I charged the battery back up after it was down to zero, and I noticed that it was taking noticeably longer to charge than normal. But it did manage to charge.
    The time to charge isn't relevant.
    Can you use the battery for more than an hour?
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  4. Posts : 6,856
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       #34

    I've had my Lenovo laptop battery drain a few times even overnight when powered off.

    Check this out:

    Battery may discharge when system is powered off or in a sleep state - ThinkPad, ideapad - Lenovo Support GB

    Disable Hibernate mode
    Turn off Fast Startup
    Disable USB Power-off Charging (if it exists)
    Last edited by Callender; 19 Dec 2023 at 09:43.
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  5. Posts : 16,966
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #35

    You might like to substitute this version of the link Battery may discharge when system is powered off or in a sleep state - ThinkPad, ideapad

    Does your Lenovo lose 2% charge each day it is shutdown?

    By the way, Lenovo support told me on the phone that mine would lose 2% a day even after taking the precautions that your link suggests. And, for my Lenovo, they were right.


    Merry Christmas,
    Denis
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  6. Posts : 427
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       #36

    Megahertz said:
    The time to charge isn't relevant.
    Can you use the battery for more than an hour?
    I've never tried that yet. So far, I haven't really been using it, but rather just maintaining it because of the battery issue. The computer I use is my Dell Inspiron, which has an easily removable battery. I use it on AC almost all the time. With the battery removed, it doesn't discharge any noticeable amount. Now that I have the Lenovo's battery removed from the motherboard, I'm planning to wait about 4 months and re-install it to see if it discharged while removed. I'm thinking that it won't.
    I might plug it in and see how it functions on AC only without the battery before then.
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  7. Posts : 16,966
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #37

    Might I suggest only waiting one month?
    If Lenovo support are correct then there'll still be charge left after one month but would not be after four.

    I'll look forward to seeing your results.
    Apart from the Lenovo I mentioned before, I don't have a computer that's off for long enough to do such tests.
    [Apart from a Chuwi but it lies about its state of charge all the time - it constantly claims its battery has 150% of its design charge level.]


    Merry Christmas,
    Denis

    Oh, and thanks for the rep.
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  8. Posts : 6,856
    22H2 64 Bit Pro
       #38

    Try3 said:
    Does your Lenovo lose 2% charge each day it is shutdown?
    I always leave the charger plugged in and the battery meter currently reports 98% charged but as far as i can remember it's always 100% charged when I switch on if powered off overnight but with the charger plugged in.

    You can try a full shut down by pressing and holding the Shift key on your keyboard while you click the "Shut Down" then see if the battery still discharges a few percent.
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  9. Posts : 16,966
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #39

    My Lenovo loses 2% of its battery charge every day whilst shutdown.
    I shut down by using
    Code:
    shutdown.exe /s /t 0 /f



    Denis
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  10. Posts : 6,856
    22H2 64 Bit Pro
       #40

    Try
    powercfg -devicequery wake_armed

    The result for me is NONE
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