Old Dell 9400/E1705 Workhorse ATI x1400 Driver for Windows 10 Solved

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    Windows 10 Pro (32&64) Windows XP Pro (32)
       2 Weeks Ago #21

    ATI X1400 Windows 10 (32&64)


    RoasterMen said: View Post
    ATi Radeon X1400M isn't supported by Windows 10.
    (Not sure whether anyone is still playing with these machines; other than me and I have several of them!)
    Well it is; up to a point. The v8.561 driver on the MS Cat site worked fine (manual install) for 1607 and it didn't seem to have too many issues with 1703, 1709 or 1803 (at least initially). There were the "usual" problems with the lock screen failing to display but if you shut it down fully rather than using fast start/boot etc it was fine - even if you ended up with a blank screen you could still hit enter; wait 10s and type your password in blind, hit enter and it would get you to the normal desktop
    During 1803's death throes a problem developed which as of 1809 is permanent (I am not expecting any charitable fix from MS - unlike the Broadcom 440x situation from 1703-1709). If you let the screen turn off (this used be called suspend) then it won't come back - nothing will achieve it. The only workaround is to set screen timeouts to "never" and to protect the screen, you can dim it using Fn Down Arrow. A bit painful but workable.
    I should own up to the fact that I still do all my real work on XP and other than for the absence of a supported browser, I would still be doing internet stuff. Yes; having ignored Vista, 7, 8 and 8.1 I have finally found a use for an MS post-XP OS - it is my Netbook OS.......and one day maybe a print server if I live long enough to have to buy a printer that does not have an XP driver!
    Here's hoping they have no more dirty tricks to play on me in 2019, else Linux Mint it is!
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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 1803 (April 2018 build 17134.407)
       2 Weeks Ago #22

    As I have said in several occasions, if there is no Windows 10 driver install Windows 8 or 7 or Vista (worst case) driver. The newer the better. I would prefer latest official AMD driver (in this case for Vista 32-bit only) instead of latest Microsoft driver. See this site:

    http://www.amd-drivers.com/amd-ati-m...y-drivers.html
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    Windows 10 Pro (32&64) Windows XP Pro (32)
       1 Week Ago #23

    ATI X1400 Windows 10 (32&64)


    spapakons said: View Post
    As I have said in several occasions, if there is no Windows 10 driver install Windows 8 or 7 or Vista (worst case) driver. The newer the better. I would prefer latest official AMD driver (in this case for Vista 32-bit only) instead of latest Microsoft driver. See this site:

    http://www.amd-drivers.com/amd-ati-m...y-drivers.html
    I have never had much joy with the Czech Unofficial ATI/AMD drivers site; seems to just give me INF files, adverts and tries to install software on my PC that I don't want. In respect of the X1400 it also only has up to Vista drivers (32 bit only?). The MS Cat site v8.561 are Windows 7 drivers produced by ATI in December 2008 and are available for both 32 and 64 bit systems. They were supplied by ATI mainly, I think, to fulfil on an offer made by PC suppliers that late Vista purchasers (late 9400s came with Vista) were given of a free upgrade to 7. Bit of a struggle without those drivers. The drivers work (up to a point) in Windows 10 and will give 1440x900 or 1920x1200 depending on the panel. They obviously do not come with CCC and whilst there are a few clever people out there who have CCC running on Windows 10 with the v8.561 driver all my attempts resulted in a need to do a clean install of Windows! On a PC of this age (2006-7) the only useful thing CCC really offers is custom resolutions - (you are not exactly going to be doing cutting edge gaming on it).

    On that general subject I ran an XP system without a panel as a media player for my basic LG 1080p TV (via DVI-D to HDMI converter) and the CCC cability of custom resolutions was very handy when dealing with overscan issues - 1840x1035 fitted perfectly but I also used to stream from catch-up TV sites and they got increasingly picky about browsers and eventually wouldn't let me use mine as it was too out of date; so I thought I'd try Windows 10. Quite pleasantly surprised to find that a built in 1760x1000 custom resolution became available (sort of very safe overscan resolution). I obviously have a thinnish black band round the image (basically about a 5% linear reduction in size) but its good enough for what I need.

    Whilst playing with streaming (up to HD) videos round my LAN I discovered Windows 10 Film and TV application - technological wonder. Whatever team MS had on that really knew what they were doing; it is by a country mile the most processor/resource efficient media player I have ever seen and it "just worked"; which nothing else did and I tried a lot of software players/settings - they all jumped/skipped/crashed repeatedly.

    So; to summarise for the X1400
    1. Use the v8.561 driver from the MS Cat site - it is official ATI/AMD (and these days is only available from MS Cat as far as I know) and it is the best there is and there won't be anything better.
    2. Don't try and get CCC installed unless you like living dangerously and have something that it does that you must have - and if you succeed please post an idiots' guide here.
    3. The v8.561 has a 1760x1000 mode for TVs (via DVD-D to HDMI converter) for which you should be grateful.
    4. The Film & TV application should be your initial choice for media playing/streaming; especially to an external monitor.
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       1 Week Ago #24

    I have noticed that the CCC doesn't work in 10 if Vista drivers are installed. It works only with 7 or 8 or 10 drivers. The same is true for nVidia Control Panel, it works only for 7 and newer drivers, not Vista. However Vista driver is your only choice for old cards (eg nVidia FX 5 series)
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       1 Week Ago #25

    spapakons said: View Post
    I have noticed that the CCC doesn't work in 10 if Vista drivers are installed. It works only with 7 or 8 or 10 drivers. The same is true for nVidia Control Panel, it works only for 7 and newer drivers, not Vista. However Vista driver is your only choice for old cards (eg nVidia FX 5 series)
    I only have ATI x1400s on my 9400s; all the nVidia ones overheat and fail. ATI X1400; slow but steady.
    So.....from what you say I am, once again, interested in Catalyst. Given that I obviously want to retain the v8.561 drivers is it possible to download a standalone version of Catalyst (either free from later drivers or the Catalyst installation file can be extracted and installed separately) which has a chance of letting me get custom resolutions? My idiots' Guide request still stands and I am quite prepared to risk yet another clean install of Windows 10 if there is a sporting chance of getting 1840x1035. Am away on holiday as of now so if I don't get back with "results" in the near future its not rudeness!
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       1 Week Ago #26

    In theory (not sure if it will work), you could install the v8.561 driver to have Catalyst and then manually (from Device Manager) replace the driver with the latest Vista 32-bit driver. This requires to extract the driver files to a folder using WinRAR or other utility and browsing to the INF file. This would replace the driver with the latest Vista 32-bit driver but, hopefully, leave Catalyst installed so you can use it (in Vista compatibility mode if necessary and with administrator rights). You may also need to enable Microsoft dotnet FX 2/3 version in Windows 10. One easy way to do that is install a program that needs it (such as latest DirectX 9.0c Runtime) and you will be prompted to also enable this feature (internet connection required).
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    Windows 10 Pro (32&64) Windows XP Pro (32)
       1 Week Ago #27

    spapakons said: View Post
    In theory (not sure if it will work), you could install the v8.561 driver to have Catalyst and then manually (from Device Manager) replace the driver with the latest Vista 32-bit driver. This requires to extract the driver files to a folder using WinRAR or other utility and browsing to the INF file. This would replace the driver with the latest Vista 32-bit driver but, hopefully, leave Catalyst installed so you can use it (in Vista compatibility mode if necessary and with administrator rights). You may also need to enable Microsoft dotnet FX 2/3 version in Windows 10. One easy way to do that is install a program that needs it (such as latest DirectX 9.0c Runtime) and you will be prompted to also enable this feature (internet connection required).
    I am actually hoping to do the reverse of this; i.e. install CCC over the v8.561 Windows 7 driver (without replacing it with the Vista driver. I will give it a go and come back if I have any luck. From memory the old XP CCC required FX 1.1 - so I may just install the lot to be on the safe side!
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       1 Week Ago #28

    It could work if you extract the files in a folder and run the EXE for installing the Catalyst Control Center. But it might not let you do it (in nVidia drivers it doesn't let you just run the setup for the Control Panel, it prompts you top run the main setup).
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