Random memory training issue

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  1. Posts : 564
    Windows 10 Pro x64 21H1
       #1

    Random memory training issue


    System Specs
    ASUS ROG Strix X570-e Gaming Motherboard
    Ryzen 7 3800x
    GSKill FlareX 16GB 2*8GB 3200mhz CL16 RAM
    Corsair CX650m Semi-Modular PSU
    WD Black SN750 500 GB NVME drive
    Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070

    So after Initial build, the system ran great with no issues, and after a Month of use, during a cold boot, or a warm boot, it would begin to do memory training, and it just keeps doing it. If I go into the BIOS, and remove the DOCP settings, it doesn't fix the problem, but if I reset to optimized defaults, or clear the CMOS, it will go through the memory training, then it won't do it anymore.

    Today has been 2 months since I built the PC, and today it started Memory training again, and I had to reset the CMOS and re enter the values to get it right again.

    Does anyone know why it will keep doing memory training after it been working for a month and not doing it?

    Thanks
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  2. Posts : 23,164
    Win 10 Home ♦♦♦19045.4291 (x64) [22H2]
       #2

    @lmaneke


    Please go here and get CPU-Z (zip version)
    CPU-Z | Softwares | CPUID


    Then "run" cpuz_x64.exe and post screenshots of the Memory tab and the SPD tab... like this...

    Random memory training issue-image1.png
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  3. Posts : 564
    Windows 10 Pro x64 21H1
    Thread Starter
       #3

    Here are my screenshots from CPU - Z
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Random memory training issue-screenshot-cpuz-memory-spd.png   Random memory training issue-screenshot-memory-info.png   Random memory training issue-screenshot-memory-info2.png  
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  4. Posts : 23,164
    Win 10 Home ♦♦♦19045.4291 (x64) [22H2]
       #4

    @lmaneke


    Ok... I believe I see the problem.

    The Memory tab is what the RAM is actually running at. The SPD tab (rightmost column) is what the RAM "should" be running at. So....

    ...the problem is that the TRC timing "should be running at 56, but you have it running at 75.

    In the BIOS you have to open the DRAM Timings section on the AI Tweaker tab, and change the TRC to 56.
    Or even better... "manually set the freq., the timings and the voltage in the BIOS.
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  5. Posts : 23,164
    Win 10 Home ♦♦♦19045.4291 (x64) [22H2]
       #5

    @lmaneke


    Ok... I believe I see the problem.

    The Memory tab is what the RAM is actually running at. The SPD tab (rightmost column) is what the RAM "should" be running at. So....

    ...the problem is that the TRC timing "should be running at 56, but you have it running at 75.

    In the BIOS you have to open the DRAM Timings section on the AI Tweaker tab, and change the TRC to 56.
    Or even better... "manually set the freq., the timings and the voltage in the BIOS.




    Here's mine again... the frequency and timings and voltage in the BLUE box... are the manufacturer's specs.
    When I built this computer, I just set the BIOS to match what was in the BLUE box...

    Random memory training issue-image1.png


    Random memory training issue-0000000-ram-timings.png



    I had to "guess" at the DRAM RAS# PRE Time to get the RAM to run... stable.
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  6. Posts : 23,164
    Win 10 Home ♦♦♦19045.4291 (x64) [22H2]
       #6

    For YOUR RAM, you need to use the frequency, timings and voltage in YOUR... BLUE box...

    Random memory training issue-image2.png



    Remember, in CPU-Z... the BLUE box on the SPD tab is what your RAM "should" be running at.
    The Memory tab in CPU-Z is showing what your RAM is "actually" running at.
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  7. Posts : 564
    Windows 10 Pro x64 21H1
    Thread Starter
       #7

    Yeah this is so weird, as I have the memory profile set at DOCP in BIOS, so I would think that the DOCP profile would automatically load these values.
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  8. Posts : 23,164
    Win 10 Home ♦♦♦19045.4291 (x64) [22H2]
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    lmaneke said:
    Yeah this is so weird, as I have the memory profile set at DOCP in BIOS, so I would think that the DOCP profile would automatically load these values.

    I also have an ASUS X570 board (see my specs), and DOCP didn't run stable, at all on my computer.


    This is when I figured it out...

    ASUS motherboard RAM timings problem


    I "used to" overclock, back in the day. So, I was already a firm believer in setting the RAM frequency, timings and voltage manually.
    When DOCP came along, I tried it. On my board, it made the RAM unstable, so I went back to the old way.
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  9. Posts : 564
    Windows 10 Pro x64 21H1
    Thread Starter
       #9

    I see that. Wonder if this is a thing with the X570 Boards. I have an Asus x370 and x470 board, and both of those are reading the correct values in cpu-z.

    I'll manually set everything in BIOS and see what happens.

    Thanks
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  10. Posts : 23,164
    Win 10 Home ♦♦♦19045.4291 (x64) [22H2]
       #10

    lmaneke said:
    I see that. Wonder if this is a thing with the X570 Boards. I have an Asus x370 and x470 board, and both of those are reading the correct values in cpu-z.

    I'll manually set everything in BIOS and see what happens.

    Thanks


    THAT I couldn't tell ya. Before this I had an ASUS Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 board, which didn't even have DOCP.


    Until this topic of yours, I never even "heard" of memory training. I had to Google that and read about it.
    From what I read... it seems that memory training is just a way of fine tuning the RAM settings in the BIOS.
    I also noticed that it doesn't seem to work... a lot of the time.



    Btw, I would "guess" at your DRAM RAS# PRE Time also...and set it at 18.



    So in your BIOSes... DRAM Timing section, I would think you would set the timings like this... from the top down...

    16, 18, 18, 18, 38, 56
    Frequency 3200Mhs and voltage 1.350v

    And if your BIOS is anything like mine...
    You need to click on the timing setting where it says Auto... then type in the setting you want, then hit ENTER.
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