boot drive detection Evos SSD) by my BIOS


  1. Posts : 29
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    boot drive detection Evos SSD) by my BIOS


    Hi,
    In recent months I have encountered a windows boot failure. The only way to get my system running was by repeated power cyycling.Up to 4 or 5 times to get a bios post and boot.
    I suspected the the power good signal was being delayed. However, testing of my then PSU (Corsair 650) showed a 12v rail instability, so I decided to buy a new one.
    The problem has now presented slightly differently. The first power on is OK (by OK I mean case fans on, CPU cooler active etc) but I don't seem to be getting any indication that POST is active or has completed. I look for a quick flash on of my monitor status lights to show this.
    I power down and turn on again quickly (within a few seconds of the power down) and I then get the indication that POST has commenced. The system doesn't boot though and I get a UEFI screen saying that "ATA/ATAPI devices detected", followed by a line saying "the system failed to boot several times and either press F2 and change my configuration, or UEFI will continue to boot the system in 5 seconds"
    I let the the timer count down, and then my system boots normally.
    My boot drive is a samsung 850 EVO and all drives (internal and external are GPT. I have also switched windows from legacy to UEFI boot mode.
    The UEFI message seems indicate a slow detection of my Samsung drive.Any help on this matter would be gratefully received.
    regards
    Dave
    PS my version of Windows is 10 pro - version 21H2 (os build 19044.1266)
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  2. Posts : 1,616
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       #2

    1.
    I have also switched windows from legacy to UEFI boot mode.
    When please, in relation to the sequence of events did you do this and how

    2. What in UEFI firmware setup is the order of boot devices and what please is the boot device chosen
    Normally it would be Windows boot manager - which is in effect the EFI FAT partition on the Samsung Evo

    as per section 4.7 of your online manual
    https://download.asrock.com/Manual/990FX%20Extreme6.pdf

    If that is not the first boot device in the boot priority order then that MAY be part of the problem.
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  3. Posts : 29
    win 10 pro 64-bit
    Thread Starter
       #3

    Hi there.
    My line of investigation was started by a failure of my system to (seemingly) post (no BIOS splash, and no Windows boot.
    Initial repeated pwer cycling to get it to boot led me to look at my PSU. I thought it was a late "Power-good" signal.
    At this point my bios was legacy, as was Windows. and my drives were MBR.
    I then looked at my EVO, but that was fruitless as all seemed perfectly OK. Although I did replace the SATA data cable as a precaution.
    I then returned to my BIOS, checking that all my SATA devices were present, and then to the Boot set up page.
    It was there I noticed that the BIOS was in Legendary mode and investigated this using the forums tutorial.
    The conversion to GPT was done following those instructions. I could get a boot by repeated power cycling, but then decided to replace the PSU - the 12V rail was testing low.
    That was the next thing done.
    The new PSU has improved improved things in as much as I now only needed 2 power cycles to get a POST, and the stalling of the boot loader by the BIOS - saying there was a load failure (as described in my initial post..
    The only boot options I get in the BIOS are "Windows Boot Manager" or "UEFI shell", no individual SATA devices being shown now,
    Boot #1 is set to WBM.
    I now longer get the BIOS error screen with the timedown. This seems to have resolved itself., after rechecking drive connections of all my SATA devices
    I am now left with a failure to boot on first power up, but always on the second.
    I can't quite see why I need WBM as I don't have a multi boot system - Just Win 10.But it seems to be a component of the GPT based system. I am also not sure how this architecture will let boot from another device e.g flash drive, or my DVD.
    I use a Ventoy USB to load up various utilities for diagnostics, Acronis disk recovery,WinRE ? but don't know whether plugging it in and restarting will work now.
    Thanks for your time though
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  4. Posts : 885
    10 Pro/11 Pro Dual Boot
       #4

    dch1950 said:
    Hi there.
    My line of investigation was started by a failure of my system to (seemingly) post (no BIOS splash, and no Windows boot.
    Initial repeated pwer cycling to get it to boot led me to look at my PSU. I thought it was a late "Power-good" signal.
    At this point my bios was legacy, as was Windows. and my drives were MBR.
    I then looked at my EVO, but that was fruitless as all seemed perfectly OK. Although I did replace the SATA data cable as a precaution.
    I then returned to my BIOS, checking that all my SATA devices were present, and then to the Boot set up page.
    It was there I noticed that the BIOS was in Legendary mode and investigated this using the forums tutorial.
    The conversion to GPT was done following those instructions. I could get a boot by repeated power cycling, but then decided to replace the PSU - the 12V rail was testing low.
    That was the next thing done.
    The new PSU has improved improved things in as much as I now only needed 2 power cycles to get a POST, and the stalling of the boot loader by the BIOS - saying there was a load failure (as described in my initial post..
    The only boot options I get in the BIOS are "Windows Boot Manager" or "UEFI shell", no individual SATA devices being shown now,
    Boot #1 is set to WBM.
    I now longer get the BIOS error screen with the timedown. This seems to have resolved itself., after rechecking drive connections of all my SATA devices
    I am now left with a failure to boot on first power up, but always on the second.
    I can't quite see why I need WBM as I don't have a multi boot system - Just Win 10.But it seems to be a component of the GPT based system. I am also not sure how this architecture will let boot from another device e.g flash drive, or my DVD.
    I use a Ventoy USB to load up various utilities for diagnostics, Acronis disk recovery,WinRE ? but don't know whether plugging it in and restarting will work now.
    Thanks for your time though
    have you checked for an updated bios?
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  5. Posts : 29
    win 10 pro 64-bit
    Thread Starter
       #5

    tomdsr said:
    have you checked for an updated bios?
    Yes and my mobo has been on P1.4 for a while now. Nothing newer is available
    Dave.
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  6. Posts : 1,616
    11, 10, 8.1 and 7 all Professional versions, and Linux Mint
       #6

    Windows boot manager is nothing to do with multi-boot - it is the name for the boot of the OS when control is handed from the UEFI firmware to the boot manager to enable boot of the OS

    as explained here
    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win.../boot-and-uefi

    Re this
    I am now left with a failure to boot on first power up, but always on the second
    .
    Can be a network adapter driver or setting problem
    Can also be of course another driver sometimes audio or graphics
    OR a startup item

    Try disabling fast startup
    Turn On or Off Fast Startup in Windows 10

    If that does not work try a clean boot
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...a-a97a1807f3dd

    Please follow instructions on the link carefully regarding the hiding of Microsoft items
    If it works OK with fast startup ON in Clean boot, then it may well be a startup item.


    Finally for this post
    but then decided to replace the PSU - the 12V rail was testing low.
    was that using a app such as HW Monitor OR from the Motherboard Health Status
    or from a PSU tester.

    I am wondering if it was NOT the PSU itself, unless that was tested directly
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  7. Posts : 29
    win 10 pro 64-bit
    Thread Starter
       #7

    Hmmm, the matter of the 12V rail is interesting, and while it was low (tested with a plug in PSU tester) , but it must have eventually provided the "power good" signal after repeated power cycles.
    Equally, windows load and boot seems to be fine once it actually starts.Thus we have a situation where the first power up doesn't initiate POST and hence to windows load., but a power off and on again always produces a successful boot of Windows.
    Puzzling :)
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  8. Posts : 1,616
    11, 10, 8.1 and 7 all Professional versions, and Linux Mint
       #8

    Try my suggestions, then once we know if the problem is solved using either the disabled fast startup or the clean boot we can then start to find the possible suspect
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  9. Posts : 29
    win 10 pro 64-bit
    Thread Starter
       #9

    Well, I think I have managed to fix this problem. Although why the solution worked I am not sure about.
    I spent yesterday morning checking all mobo connections. During this I discovered that my front panel RESET button was not connected correctly (probably irrelevant) and I decided to to reorder my SATA data cables, putting my EVO (Boot drive) on pole position i.e. SATA_1. This has resolved the problem My machine now powers up normally and boots to Windows.
    I must proffer my thanks for your kind assistance and admit that I gained avaluable insight into to the UEFI and Windows Boot Manager. along the way.
    regards
    Dave H (Junior Member)
    PS what's a rep point?
    D.
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  10. Posts : 1,616
    11, 10, 8.1 and 7 all Professional versions, and Linux Mint
       #10

    Cheers
    A reputation - rep point is
    Reputation is a way of rating users depending on the quality of their posts. If you feel that a member has or is being helpful to you or just has been helping out in general, you can give them rep on the particular helpful post.

    you click the thumbs up Thank - on the post

    Pleased YOU sorted it.
    Usually as you say it is good practice to connect the boot drive to the primary SATA port - 0 or 1 depending on how they are numbered
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