Do we even need drivers on Win 10..?


  1. Posts : 50
    Win 10 v. 20H2
       #1

    Do we even need drivers on Win 10..?


    Hi guys. Let me describe my the story that raised my concerns, by and large for anyone that would be interested in the details.
    So recently I reinstalled Win 10 (version 1709) on an ASUS laptop. I've already done it a couple of times, I have grasped the routine to follow and think I had a good idea what I'm doing. Too bad this time there was an issue afterwards.

    The first few times I've done it since 2018 when I started with 10, I think it went all smooth. Then the last time, which was about a year ago, the installation process completed and then maybe during driver installation I was faced with a black screen that wouldn't go away. Back then I called a friend's father who repairs computers and he came up with the suggestion that I switch from UEFI to legacy BIOS which oddly enough fixed the issue and I'd been using the laptop for the past year.
    It's worth noting though that my HDD was GPT-formatted and has been during all this time. Articles say GPT can only work with UEFI and BIOS with MBR, right? Yet somehow for the past year I've been running BIOS CMS on a GPT-formatted hard drive.
    Well, that was the 1st issue to encounter this time, last week when I started the most recent reinstall. After booting from the USB drive and starting the process, at the partition choice screen. I got a pop-up stating 'Windows cannot be installed to this disk. The selected disk is of the GPT partition style.' Since I didn't feel like reformatting my HDD I switched to CMS BIOS and repeated the installation from scratch without any further hassle.
    Or so I thought until starting to install drivers afterwards. I am using original, OEM-provided drivers for Win 10 x64 on a DVD that came in the laptop cardbox. I use the wizard provided that compiles a list - I select the ones I want and it starts installing them in a row, restarting the system after each one or so. Yet, at some point one of them got caught in a loop or so it seemed, the progress bar filling to the end, then instead of reinstalling the bar got blank empty and started filling again -a couple of times, UNTIL FINALLY - I got a blackscreen, though there was a message box:

    https://i.postimg.cc/qBNQdd5M/IMG-20...94915-Copy.jpg
    (Sorry, insert image button did not work for me so I give a link)
    It reads: 'The computer restarted unexpectedly or encountered an unexpected error. Windows installation cannot proceed. To install Windows, click OK to restart the computer, and then restart installation.'

    Strange as hell!! The installation seemed to had had finished?!? The previous night (I got to install the drivers the next morning!)
    Yet this happened and upon clicking OK, it restarts and then the same screen appeared. I tried with resetting the system - didn't help.
    So the only thing I was able to do was reboot from the USB and reinstall the OS. My Windows image is original, downloaded from Microsoft website.
    Now I have access to the interface and all looks normal. I'm afraid to try again installing drivers though. If I had more free time I'd probably experiment to look into it but I just can't afford spending so much time researching the issue, doing a full time day job and coming home tired as hell, it would be too taxing on me so if possible would rather not.

    On the other hand, I'm also afraid to start actually using it. Since all the manuals/tutorials I've seen urge to install drivers immediately after Windows, before any other software, or else something might get botched (as if it doesn't anyway!).
    So the only things I dared to do was open some doc files (with the built-in Wordpad), pdfs in Edge, images and play some locally stored music. Not connecting to the Internet but all of these mentioned worked fine. The touchpad did work, the speakers, the processor was obviously running, bluetooth seemed to be on (though I couldn't manage to actually transfer files over it - OK, I'll need the BT drivers, but why not them and them only, why others) and the wifi adapter listed available networks, so it must've been working too.

    So I wondered - do I even need to install drivers and make my life difficult again? Maybe Win 10, unlike it's predecessors comes with a lot of drivers for widely used hardware built in it? What's your opinion? Also does it really matter if you install drivers immediately after Windows or at a later moment, when you figure out you need a particular one for something?
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  2. Posts : 35,604
    Win 10 Pro (21H2) (2nd PC is 21H2)
       #2

    I've not bothered about updating drivers manually except when some snag comes along. Coincidentally just today I found my fingerprint reader wasn't deemed valid by Windows 'Hello', and it so happened that an update via Device Manager fixed it. I can't remember the last time I did that.

    I am using original, OEM-provided drivers for Win 10 x64 on a DVD that came in the laptop cardbox.
    Why? - likely to be older than those Windows provided of course.

    So recently I reinstalled Win 10 (version 1709)
    Could you explain why you're running such an old build? (2017, September, nominally).

    And is Windows Update enabled? Are you sure you're really running 1709 or did it upgrade during the installation?

    Win key + r, winver

    (Sorry, insert image button did not work for me
    - you have to wait a second after browsing to and selecting the image before uploading it.

    I don't look at imgur images.
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  3. Posts : 4,224
    Windows 10
       #3

    Windows 10 2004 (and earlier versions, too) is pretty good and finding and installing MOST of the drivers found on MOST modern systems (and a lot of older ones, too). You don't need to add drivers unless you see unknown devices show up in DevMgr or see known devices showing exclamation points in the display. You can also use a tool like DriverStore Explorer (aka RAPR.exe) to show you what drivers you've got installed on your PC in great and complete detail. On all recent upgrades in recent memory and experience, I've had driver problems only with the fingerprint reader on my Lenovo X380 Yoga (Win10 bats 1.000 on all of my other machines and about 0.980 on that one -- but that has been fixed as of March or April).
    HTH,
    --Ed--
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  4. Posts : 104
    Windows 7 Pro 64-bit / Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (dual boot)
       #4

    EdTittel is correct.

    An install of Windows 10 Version 2004 and earlier versions will usually install the drivers for a computer's primary devices (chipset, graphics, audio, ethernet, wireless, etc.).

    I've done several clean installs in the past month in several 3rd and 4th generation Dell PC's, and all the primary drivers were installed.

    Version 1709 was released in October 2017, so you're using a very outdated version.

    Version 1909 or 2004 is what you should be using.
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  5. Posts : 50
    Win 10 v. 20H2
    Thread Starter
       #5

    dalchina said:

    bgbrother said:
    I am using original, OEM-provided drivers for Win 10 x64 on a DVD that came in the laptop cardbox.
    Why? - likely to be older than those Windows provided of course.
    Sure. But older also means stable and tested. Also, since they are OEM-provided I've heard they may be tailored to fit better my particular hardware. Components may be the same manufacturer (whether Intel, Realtek and so on), but different laptop brands have their own motherboard architecture maybe, as far as my limited hardware insight goes..? Last summer (or was it the previous..) I downloaded a new driver for my graphic card from nVidia's website (yes, I'd checked all the details to make sure it is the right one for my particular model) and as far as I vaguely recall, there was some issue maybe black screen or Idk that forced me to abandon it and roll back, under safe mode or system restore. All I remember is it created some hassle and was totally dysfunctional and useless.

    dalchina said:

    bgbrother said:
    So recently I reinstalled Win 10 (version 1709)
    Could you explain why you're running such an old build? (2017, September, nominally).
    Sure, even though we're going off topic on that, but still.. I got the laptop in January 2018 and at that time this was the most recent version of Win 10 (and the only one available for download from MS website) when I set up the bootable USB drive. Since then I've not bothered to update the image. Why would I, this one was doing the job that I need, why bother to seek new versions? Back then I didn't have driver issues, it was all fine. Actually, when 1803 and 1809 were released I looked them up but didn't find anything useful to justify installing them.

    dalchina said:
    And is Windows Update enabled? Are you sure you're really running 1709 or did it upgrade during the installation?
    Can it even be disabled, we're talking about Win 10.. Yes, there are services tweaks and you actually did a great job here reminding me to cut it out before it eats up my data (I'm on mobile internet) and crams my system with useless junkware to slow it down. One time this winter it happened on it's own and took two hours to install!! Two precious hours of my very limited free time when I could not use my computer! And after that it seemed more sluggish than it used to be.
    Since the reinstall a week ago it has stayed powered off almost all the time and no, during the installation process it was not connected to the Internet so it can't have updated.
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