1909 has a BIOS firmware update feature built into the Device Manager

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  1. Posts : 4,769
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       #21

    TV2 said:
    I'm not sure what that is.
    Here it is on my system (My System Specs #1)



    But if there was a BIOS update from within Windows: No thanks.
    Agree. Noticed that you have no 'firmware' tab - possibly as it's a self build not manufactured.
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       #22

    Fabler2 said:
    'Firmware' and BIOS versions also different for me .
    Attachment 279558
    Different numbers and dates here.

    BIOS Hewlett-Packard Version K01 v03.08 Date 4/10/2019
    Firmware 1.2.39.21874 Date 1/8/2020
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  3. Posts : 1,255
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       #23

    I have some reasonable guesses about this.

    It appears that the BIOS update feature is a Windows feature implemented with a device driver provided by the OEM. It also seems to have been around for several years now. When Windows is installed the installer will check the hardware and BIOS identification and check if it has an appropriate firmware driver. If present it will be installed and the appropriate entries added to Device Manager. The OEM could add, remove, or change the feature whenever there is a Windows update. I suspect this would normally only happen with a feature update.

    Other than the functions of the driver this is pretty much how drivers have worked since the beginning of the NT platform in 1993.
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  4. Posts : 2,294
    Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit
       #24

    This is what shows on my laptop, I did get a notice a couple of days ago that there were updates for my machine but they were from HP support. There were 5 altogether but 1 was for a BIOS update and there was a Firmware one as well and a Bluetooth one.

    I've not actually installed any of them so far but I've just taken a snip from Device Manager.
    1909 has a BIOS firmware update feature built into the Device Manager-driver-update.png
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  5. Posts : 26,417
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       #25

    Joan Archer said:
    This is what shows on my laptop, I did get a notice a couple of days ago that there were updates for my machine but they were from HP support. There were 5 altogether but 1 was for a BIOS update and there was a Firmware one as well and a Bluetooth one.

    I've not actually installed any of them so far but I've just taken a snip from Device Manager.
    1909 has a BIOS firmware update feature built into the Device Manager-driver-update.png
    Thanks Joan.
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  6. Posts : 16,786
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #26

    Fabler2 said:
    Checked again and found that Firmware and BIOS version the same. Not sure what the driver version means? So it is a bios update.
    I also had the coincidence of both having the same version number for about four months last year.

    You could wait until
    - your next bios update to find out that the firmware version stays the same whilst the bios version changes, or
    - your next HP hardware driver update of something with a name like 'HP system firmware' to find out that the firmware version changes whilst the bios version stays the same.

    Denis
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  7. Posts : 4,769
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       #27

    Joan Archer said:
    This is what shows on my laptop, I did get a notice a couple of days ago that there were updates for my machine but they were from HP support. There were 5 altogether but 1 was for a BIOS update and there was a Firmware one as well and a Bluetooth one.

    I've not actually installed any of them so far but I've just taken a snip from Device Manager.
    1909 has a BIOS firmware update feature built into the Device Manager-driver-update.png
    As a favour could you click on the 'Firmware' tab and note the bios number then check the HP site for the new bios update number and the existing one's number. Thanks but only if you have time. I don't want to trouble you.
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  8. Posts : 26,417
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       #28

    Try3 said:
    I also had the coincidence of both having the same version number for about four months last year.

    You could wait until
    - your next bios update to find out that the firmware version stays the same whilst the bios version changes, or
    - your next HP hardware driver update of something with a name like 'HP system firmware' to find out that the firmware version changes whilst the bios version stays the same.

    Denis
    1909 has a BIOS firmware update feature built into the Device Manager-capture.jpg

    Strange things with this..
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  9. Posts : 16,786
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #29

    LMiller7 said:
    I have some reasonable guesses about this.

    It appears that the BIOS update feature is a Windows feature implemented with a device driver provided by the OEM. It also seems to have been around for several years now. When Windows is installed the installer will check the hardware and BIOS identification and check if it has an appropriate firmware driver. If present it will be installed and the appropriate entries added to Device Manager. The OEM could add, remove, or change the feature whenever there is a Windows update. I suspect this would normally only happen with a feature update.

    Other than the functions of the driver this is pretty much how drivers have worked since the beginning of the NT platform in 1993.
    Your analysis fails at the first step. It is not a Bios update feature. You know that because several posters have reported different version numbers for the Device manager, Firmware entry and their Bios.

    Denis
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  10. Posts : 4,769
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       #30

    Josey Wales said:
    1909 has a BIOS firmware update feature built into the Device Manager-capture.jpg

    Strange things with this..
    I get the same for driver details.
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