Dumbfounded by Hardware manager forced updating criterion


  1. Posts : 2,764
    Windows 10 Home x64
       #1

    Dumbfounded by Hardware manager forced updating criterion


    Hello.

    I have formatted a 5th gen. i5 machine today.

    After Windows 10 was up to date (18362.418) and everything installed I went on the quest of updating drivers. I just used Windows Update itself and then from hardware manager, clicking on automatically update hardware for those things that felt not up to date.

    Anyway, what puzzled me is for some machines Hardware Manager does:

    E.g. It installed Intel's ahci driver for the hard disk. Fine. But on another also 5th generation pc I have it says msahci standar driver is the latest one.
    Then I discovered that you can copy/paste VENVID and DEVID from hardware manager details on catalog.update.microsoft.com and then you can find updated drivers not previously seen in auto mode.

    I have just updated Intel's ahci driver, Intel's Managament Engine Interface and my Creative sound card (newer drivers by one year).

    What gives? Why neither Hardware Manager nor Windows Update can find those updated versions, even if they come from MS catalog?
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  2. Posts : 3,677
    Windows 11 Pro 64 Bit 21H2
       #2

    In Device Manager, do you see any yellow flags? If not, then You don't need any drivers. Unless the hardware is not working correctly.
    Computer and motherboard manufacturers have drivers for their hardware available on their site. It may not be the latest, but they are drivers Specifically written for this board. Updating them to a newer version doesn't always work. Sometimes, a newer driver updated thru Windows Update or the Catalog are not compatible with the older hardware and the drivers that were written for it originally when it was built.are more suitable. Other then GPU drivers, most cases it doesn't make a difference. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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  3. Posts : 7,118
    Windows 10 Pro 64 bit
       #3

    eLPuSHeR said:
    Hello.

    I have formatted a 5th gen. i5 machine today.

    After Windows 10 was up to date (18362.418) and everything installed I went on the quest of updating drivers. I just used Windows Update itself and then from hardware manager, clicking on automatically update hardware for those things that felt not up to date.

    Anyway, what puzzled me is for some machines Hardware Manager does:

    E.g. It installed Intel's ahci driver for the hard disk. Fine. But on another also 5th generation pc I have it says msahci standar driver is the latest one.
    Then I discovered that you can copy/paste VENVID and DEVID from hardware manager details on catalog.update.microsoft.com and then you can find updated drivers not previously seen in auto mode.

    I have just updated Intel's ahci driver, Intel's Managament Engine Interface and my Creative sound card (newer drivers by one year).

    What gives? Why neither Hardware Manager nor Windows Update can find those updated versions, even if they come from MS catalog?
    Good tip but where do you find the VENVID and DEVID references?
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  4. Posts : 2,764
    Windows 10 Home x64
    Thread Starter
       #4

    Inside the driver tab -> Details -> Hardware IDs
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  5. Posts : 3,677
    Windows 11 Pro 64 Bit 21H2
       #5

    Good tip but where do you find the VENVID and DEVID references?
    Right click a Device in Device Manager and choose Properties, go to the Details tab (see attached) and take the drop down menu for Hardware ID's copy the first line and paste it into the Microsoft Update Catalog search bar.
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  6. Posts : 2,764
    Windows 10 Home x64
    Thread Starter
       #6

    spunk said:
    In Device Manager, do you see any yellow flags? If not, then You don't need any drivers. Unless the hardware is not working correctly.
    Computer and motherboard manufacturers have drivers for their hardware available on their site. It may not be the latest, but they are drivers Specifically written for this board. Updating them to a newer version doesn't always work. Sometimes, a newer driver updated thru Windows Update or the Catalog are not compatible with the older hardware and the drivers that were written for it originally when it was built.are more suitable. Other then GPU drivers, most cases it doesn't make a difference. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
    Good tip but I am updating ONLY those drivers that are vanilla and I am pretty sure there are better alternatives available, even from Windows Update itself.
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  7. Posts : 19,239
    W11+W11 Developer Insider + Linux
       #7

    Best and newest drivers are from particular part manufacturer.
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  8. Posts : 2,313
    Windows 10
       #8

    Too much obsession about drivers being up to date and assuming they are better. Not always the case.
    Information on hardware is sent to MS via the telemetry, people moan on about that.

    Some of my drivers from MS updates are not in the MS Catalogue nor in the Manufacturers driver list including Beta ones.
    I don't care, it all works, which is what matters. Just about no effort on my part, great, no worries.

    Those hardware IDs cannot be taken in isolation as all hardware has connections with other hardware and software. The context has to be taken in to account, a user won't know what that is.

    I have had conflicts before between certain Intel drivers and those supplied by MS. The Intel driver causing problems with a DVD burner. The MS driver was OK. On closer research found out that the Intel driver was actually not required at all, neither did it improve performance.
    If I had obsessively updated the Intel driver then the conflicts would have remained for some imagined benefit.
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  9. Posts : 19,239
    W11+W11 Developer Insider + Linux
       #9

    It also depends on the age of system or parts, what MS distributes thru own updates is usually pretty old but parts manufacturers can't be bothered to present newer drivers to MS for older HW and even when they do, those are mostly very basic drivers with poor adjust-ability.
    Even major parts manufacturers are pretty late in releasing drivers. for instance, Asus has chipset drivers for my MB that are almost a year old and in mean time AMD released much newer drivers containing fixes and new features impacting performance quite a bit. Just about same thing for MY Asus AMD based GPU, also full of fixes, windows compatibility and performance boost. With older MS distributed drivers some games wouldn't even work in 1903.
    Realtek sound driver that installs with clean windows installation are atrocious, without any serious adjustments. Many other examples.
    Yes, it's possible that some older driver may do better job, by large newest drivers are usually the best. If you care about your computers performance, you should look for BEST drivers for your components.
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