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  1.    06 Dec 2015 #1
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    Unable to add to All apps list in Start Menu


    I can place a new folder or custom shortcut in the correct start menu location (current user or all users) but it will not appear in the All apps list. If I go to the folder or shortcut and right-click Pin to Start it will appear as a tile in the start menu, but still will not show up in the All apps list. I think this behavior started with Version 1511 since it was working for me in the previous version.
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  2.    07 Dec 2015 #2
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    Hi, a quick test seems to show the same. The representation of traditional start menu items and structures in Win 10's start menu is (in my experience) garbage. And not just since the November upgrade. Sorry to have to say that, but it flattens all the subfolders inherited from a 'normal' menu used in Win 7 and 8, loses the sub-folders, including those created by each program's installation, leading to things like

    Help
    Help
    Help
    ...

    where each 'Help' is from a different program.

    If you want a meaningful start menu without these quirks and oddities, try e.g. Classic Shell.
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  3.    07 Dec 2015 #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by jb99 View Post
    I can place a new folder or custom shortcut in the correct start menu location (current user or all users) but it will not appear in the All apps list. If I go to the folder or shortcut and right-click Pin to Start it will appear as a tile in the start menu, but still will not show up in the All apps list. I think this behavior started with Version 1511 since it was working for me in the previous version.
    You can create folders in:

    C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

    or:

    C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

    but they have to have shortcuts in them, otherwise they won't show in the All apps menu.
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  4.    07 Dec 2015 #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwin View Post
    You can create folders in:

    C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

    or:

    C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

    but they have to have shortcuts in them, otherwise they won't show in the All apps menu.
    Sorry this did not work. This is a shortcut to a stand alone executable file, a program that is not installed in Windows. When I put the shortcut directly into either of the 2 folders you mentioned, or when I put the shortcut inside a new folder into either of the 2 folders you mentioned, I cannot get anything to show in the All apps list, only a tile on the right side of the Start Menu. My guess is this is a registry issue, but I do not know where or what to change.
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  5.    07 Dec 2015 #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by jb99 View Post
    Sorry this did not work. This is a shortcut to a stand alone executable file, a program that is not installed in Windows. When I put the shortcut directly into either of the 2 folders you mentioned, or when I put the shortcut inside a new folder into either of the 2 folders you mentioned, I cannot get anything to show in the All apps list, only a tile on the right side of the Start Menu. My guess is this is a registry issue, but I do not know where or what to change.
    Ok, there is a way for your portable program, if you really really want to do this using the Win 10 start menu. You probably won't believe it, but here it is (I've just done it to be sure).

    1. Zip up your portable .exe
    2. Get a copy of Nirsoft's zipinstall
    3. Run zipinstall and 'install' the zip file you have created.
    4. Create a shortcut to the exe in its installed location in these locations.
    (I guess it would work with 1 but having put one in each and then deleted both, the shortcut still shows in the start menu- I'd guess until it's refreshed - maybe logon? Hmm..)

    C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

    or:

    C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

    Really I cannot recommend doing this, but at least it is somehow consistent with the program having to be installed.
    It might also be worth trying what you did before, but log off, on and check the start menu again.

    Personally, I avoid the Win 10 start menu altogether.
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  6.    07 Dec 2015 #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalchina View Post
    Ok, there is a way for your portable program, if you really really want to do this using the Win 10 start menu. You probably won't believe it, but here it is (I've just done it to be sure).

    1. Zip up your portable .exe
    2. Get a copy of Nirsoft's zipinstall
    3. Run zipinstall and 'install' the zip file you have created.
    4. Create a shortcut to the exe in its installed location in these locations.
    (I guess it would work with 1 but having put one in each and then deleted both, the shortcut still shows in the start menu- I'd guess until it's refreshed - maybe logon? Hmm..)

    C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

    or:

    C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

    Really I cannot recommend doing this, but at least it is somehow consistent with the program having to be installed.
    It might also be worth trying what you did before, but log off, on and check the start menu again.

    Personally, I avoid the Win 10 start menu altogether.
    Thanks, that worked!
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  7.    07 Dec 2015 #7
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    Congratulations!

    Zipinstall is actually rather useful for odd freeware that comes in zips only, no installer.
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  8.    07 Dec 2015 #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by jb99 View Post
    Sorry this did not work. This is a shortcut to a stand alone executable file, a program that is not installed in Windows. When I put the shortcut directly into either of the 2 folders you mentioned, or when I put the shortcut inside a new folder into either of the 2 folders you mentioned, I cannot get anything to show in the All apps list, only a tile on the right side of the Start Menu. My guess is this is a registry issue, but I do not know where or what to change.
    Strange..., works for me!
    (I created the folder and the shortcuts and put em in there!)

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  9.    07 Dec 2015 #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwin View Post
    Strange..., works for me!
    (I created the folder and the shortcuts and put em in there!)
    It works for me also but if you nest folders within Start Menu\Programs then it doesn't...

    These work:

    C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Speccy64.lnk
    C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Portable programs\Speccy64.lnk

    but this doesn't...

    C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Portable programs\Piriform\Speccy64.lnk
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  10.    07 Dec 2015 #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    It works for me also but if you nest folders within Start Menu\Programs then it doesn't...

    These work:

    C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Speccy64.lnk
    C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Portable programs\Speccy64.lnk

    but this doesn't...

    C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Portable programs\Piriform\Speccy64.lnk
    K, create shortcuts to the actual folders then.

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