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  1. Joined : Mar 2014
    South Carolina, USA
    Posts : 15,364
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
       16 Sep 2015 #51

    Fredledingue said: View Post
    MS thought that poeple will like every OSes to look the same from cellphones to double-screen desktops.
    They started this Metro, this Modern stuff with the idea of using the same apps and the same look and feel on every devices.
    There is also a conspiracy to make the RT system universal.
    These simple 3D effects were never a drag on resources. 200 Mhz processors would handle it as fast as the flat, contrasted themes. Nobody could observe a difference back then.
    The only drag on resources observed was transparency. That was because transparency is a much more complex than faking shadow with two lines of grey pixels (the 3D border effect is in fact very simple graphicaly) and also because of very poor coding. Vista added 10 Gb of bloatware to the OS.
    Other 3d party software to add decorations to windows and create new styles, were also slowing down the system sometimes because they used too complex effects amd methods.
    That's not what we are asking.
    BunnyJ, when did I make rude comments?
    That's a great idea! Having a single universal OS that works across all platforms similarly. I bet that's what MS is trying to do.

    How did I not see this earlier?

    Anyway, for the sake of conversation, MS got the message loud and clear when they released Windows 8 with its modern look and apps. However, they ran into a problem when it came to making Windows 10, many people (myself included) actually liked Windows 8/ 8.1. So, it would stupid to just make Windows 7 2.0 if there is significant number of people who like Windows 8/ 8.1.

    To try to please as many people as possible, MS combined 7 and 8 while still keeping a new and different OS.

    UI changes are of course going to get some hate at first, but once folks start playing around with the OS and using it more I'm sure they'll adapt.

    Just like how they adapted to 7.

    Windows 10 is still just as productive, if not more so than 7. If you aren't happy with the UI, guess what? You can install a third party application to make it look the way you want it to look. Here's why we want the Win10 usability EXACTLY like it used to be

    Last I checked it was called Classic Shell, or you could install a theme/ skin.
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  2.    16 Sep 2015 #52

    Chuck38 said: View Post
    That's a great idea! Having a single universal OS that works across all platforms similarly. I bet that's what MS is trying to do.

    How did I not see this earlier?

    Anyway, for the sake of conversation, MS got the message loud and clear when they released Windows 8 with its modern look and apps. However, they ran into a problem when it came to making Windows 10, many people (myself included) actually liked Windows 8/ 8.1. So, it would stupid to just make Windows 7 2.0 if there is significant number of people who like Windows 8/ 8.1.

    To try to please as many people as possible, MS combined 7 and 8 while still keeping a new and different OS.

    UI changes are of course going to get some hate at first, but once folks start playing around with the OS and using it more I'm sure they'll adapt.

    Just like how they adapted to 7.

    Windows 10 is still just as productive, if not more so than 7. If you aren't happy with the UI, guess what? You can install a third party application to make it look the way you want it to look. Here's why we want the Win10 usability EXACTLY like it used to be

    Last I checked it was called Classic Shell, or you could install a theme/ skin.

    Adapt to it , yes, like it , no.
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  3. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 35
    W10 64bit
       17 Sep 2015 #53

    I'v got nothing against poeple liking W8, or liking what I don't. But why for God's sake, they didn't include some simple UI options like using 3d borders or customized colors for elements as they always did?
    And don't tell me that it would take too much new code because the OS is new. W98 could do it and it was a 200Mb OS.
    Do you realize that we have much less options than on W98???
    Few poeple remember W98, but if they did they would be surprised what was available almost 17 years ago. Today we can't even set up font colors on windows captions/taskbar (the two are linked) without a third party app.
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  4. Joined : Mar 2014
    South Carolina, USA
    Posts : 15,364
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
       17 Sep 2015 #54

    Fredledingue said: View Post
    I'v got nothing against poeple liking W8, or liking what I don't. But why for God's sake, they didn't include some simple UI options like using 3d borders or customized colors for elements as they always did?
    And don't tell me that it would take too much new code because the OS is new. W98 could do it and it was a 200Mb OS.
    Do you realize that we have much less options than on W98???
    Few poeple remember W98, but if they did they would be surprised what was available almost 17 years ago. Today we can't even set up font colors on windows captions/taskbar (the two are linked) without a third party app.
    You've got a good point.

    You know what would be nice is if MS could basically build Classic Shell into Windows 10. That way folks could change from Windows 10 UI, to 8, to 7, to XP, to just about any version of Windows MS would be willing to install. So, say when you go into appearance and personalization you could change your theme to which ever Windows UI you wanted.

    That would be really cool and I imagine it wouldn't be to difficult.

    Anyway, at the moment Windows doesn't do that. So I'm afraid the only way to get the UI one wants, one would have to either use a third party program or a go back to which ever release of Windows he preferred.

    Which you already know....
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  5. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 35
    W10 64bit
       19 Sep 2015 #55

    Chuck, It would be very easy to include Classic Shell or similar into W10 but they don't want to do it.
    Start Menu replacements have been downloaded tens of million of times and they still don't want it.
    Because they think of poeple as pieces of software: If we don't change our habits, WE will become obsolete. So we, humans, have to update ourself to liking the new UI, even if it's less efficient.
    They wanted to tell us "No! You can't use your computer as you did before. You can't!". We must use Cloud, we must be cross platform (to buy more tablets, phablets and smartphones), we must like ribbons, we must like charms, we must go fully touch screen and swipe it even if you have a mouse in your hand, because that's the way they decided it will go.
    Their policy was to change the user to adapt it to their business plan. Not to adapt their products to the users.
    But they never expected such resistance from the user community. We rock!
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  6. Joined : Jan 2014
    Oak Ridge TN, USA
    Posts : 23,934
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       19 Sep 2015 #56

    Fredledingue said: View Post
    Chuck, It would be very easy to include Classic Shell or similar into W10 but they don't want to do it.
    Start Menu replacements have been downloaded tens of million of times and they still don't want it.
    Because they think of poeple as pieces of software: If we don't change our habits, WE will become obsolete. So we, humans, have to update ourself to liking the new UI, even if it's less efficient.
    They wanted to tell us "No! You can't use your computer as you did before. You can't!". We must use Cloud, we must be cross platform (to buy more tablets, phablets and smartphones), we must like ribbons, we must like charms, we must go fully touch screen and swipe it even if you have a mouse in your hand, because that's the way they decided it will go.
    Their policy was to change the user to adapt it to their business plan. Not to adapt their products to the users.
    But they never expected such resistance from the user community. We rock!
    And do you use 10?? If not.. just why are you here??
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  7. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 35
    W10 64bit
       19 Sep 2015 #57

    Of course I use it! Yet, I'm "resisting" by installing third party softwares and using tweaks not normaly available from the option dialogs.
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  8. Joined : Jan 2014
    Oak Ridge TN, USA
    Posts : 23,934
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       19 Sep 2015 #58

    Fredledingue said: View Post
    Of course I use it! Yet, I'm "resisting" by installing third party softwares and using tweaks not normaly available from the option dialogs.
    I only ask because you still have 8.1 listed as your OS.. so it's not that clear if you use it or not.
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  9. Joined : Feb 2015
    Bamberg Germany
    Posts : 12,898
    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 14393 Multiprocessor Free
       19 Sep 2015 #59

    Fredledingue said: View Post
    Of course I use it! Yet, I'm "resisting" by installing third party softwares and using tweaks not normaly available from the option dialogs.
    To be true resistance, and they know what your doing(otherwise, your resistance will be fruitless and not fruitful) make sure you let them have your metadata by uploading system information... oh yeah, let's just say, " let them spy on you"
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