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  1.    14 Sep 2015 #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by customfunctiona View Post
    I'm sorry, but you're not right about that. Don't be fooled by the internal version number change. This is still Windows 6.x. The functions are the same; the underlying software is the same. The jump in several version numbers from 6.3 to 10.0 is meaningless. 6.4 would have been more accurate, but someone wanted to make a "statement", is all.
    I'm not fooled by anything. I know very well the internals of Windows. Yes, Win32 is still there, for now, but it is slowly being siphoned off in favor of WinRT which is the new OS. Don't be fooled (which I believe you are, based on your comments) into thinking that WinRT is only for touch devices. It's not. Eventually all of windows will be replaced with WinRT based systems.

    Quote Originally Posted by customfunctiona View Post
    And in any case, it doesn't matter even if it were new software. Please understand: the UI and the functionality are separate features, could be provided by different vendors, and are individually things that the user should have total control over. And ultimately, we will.
    These lines have been blurred over the years. Things like Classic Shell only hook into the UI and override functionality, they do not replace it completely. Windows has always had a very strong coupling of the UI with the graphics subsystem, and while Windows 10 (and server 2016) have decoupled the UI a great deal from the kernel, the UI is still part of the basic API for the OS.

    The fact of the matter is, you wrote your first post pretending to speak for the masses... you don't. Everyone has a different opinion.
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  2.    14 Sep 2015 #22
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    customizations....


    if you spend 15 mins make a few minor changes it is actually a decent OS.. minus the telemetry conspiracy lol

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  3.    14 Sep 2015 #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by dacrone View Post
    if you spend 15 mins make a few minor changes it is actually a decent OS.. minus the telemetry conspiracy lol

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  4.    14 Sep 2015 #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by dacrone View Post
    if you spend 15 mins make a few minor changes it is actually a decent OS.. minus the telemetry conspiracy lol

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    If you spent 15 minutes with that desktop you'd forget all about Windows 10!
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  5.    14 Sep 2015 #25
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    haha. figured i'd put my 4k display to good use with an HD wallpaper.. its all yours!

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  6.    15 Sep 2015 #26

    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    That's why you make backups of everything. And in this case you could have gone back to either 7 or 8.1 past the 30 days with no issues.

    I tried using backups and complete system images, no can do . I have no idea why it doesn't work because it worked when i tried it during the 30 day period but it hasn't since going more than 30 days.
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  7.    15 Sep 2015 #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by customfunctiona View Post
    And in any case, it doesn't matter even if it were new software. Please understand: the UI and the functionality are separate features, could be provided by different vendors, and are individually things that the user should have total control over. And ultimately, we will.
    Hi there. I’ll assume you have a degree in software coding, Systems Engineering, Ergonomics, or something on that order, yes? Not much in your profile about you, therefore you’re making statements autonomously. Did you join to just to make some bold statements entailing personal opinion on how people should use a system because you use it a certain way? Not much of what you’re stating is backed with reference either. Not much proof.

    You're right about that. I thought MS was smart enough to maintain market share, but apparently not.
    Windows continues to maintain 90.79% of the desktop PC OS market share last I checked. Has it changed to a lower figure? Keeping in mind that the use and sales of tower PCs have and continue to decline. Everyone in the know is aware of that fact, so I shan’t reference. The two pie charts below are taken from Operating system market share Perhaps you have other references that show different.

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    MS isn’t even mentioned in the mobile sector, therefore must be part of “Other” at 15.1%. Please note that the “other two” are dominating in the mobile market share. Again, everyone in the know is aware of the fact that mobile device sales are on the rise, so I shan’t reference. Therefore, we have a desktop tower PC market on the decline and a mobile market that is increasing. Not sure where laptops and convertibles fit in, but I would think it would be in the mobile share. Which market would you consider to enter if you were in that position? Make no mistake > A familiar OS platform to run across all devices will be a huge success. Little by little MS is gaining in the mobile market.

    Then we have the cloud, which is a huge, upcoming market. I wonder if they should incorporate more of that into their OSs as they have done so?

    XP was a monstrosity (though everyone who's first PC it was did not notice), Vista was a monstrosity (I ignored it), 7 was reasonable, 8 was a monstrosity (I ignored it) and now we're back to a monstrosity again.
    Hmm. 7 was “reasonable”? Wow! You seem hard to please. You also seem to be confusing since 7 has all those things you stated in your OP, so which is it?

    Wonder how MS Windows got to be so popular with those “monstrosities” you mentioned. Must have lost money on those losers, eh? And then again, people continue to use them so they must like them, yes?

    But, there is some hope that reasonableness will be restored, since MS have indicated that 10 is a work in progress. So, we will see.
    “We shall see” more RT just as Mystere stated. 10 is 8.1 presented with more focus on the desktop and that “much missed” Start menu that's more familiar. In fact there’s more RT in 10 than there is in 8.1 including the Start menu. It's nothing but a modified Start screen/All apps combo.

    In the meantime, I will be actively seeking alternatives.
    Perhaps you should. Please let us know how it goes.

    Lastly, as you mentioned in your OP > Why would I give up screen real estate to a dumb border? Modern flat screen monitors have a 3D bezels. Not sure about you, but that keeps my eyes focused within an area. They’re pretty much “trained” to stay there. Never really heard of such nonsense to tell you the truth.

    As a builder I know of a huge well-established window company that introduced what they called the "Narrow Line". it had reinforced thinner jambs and much thinner sash frames. It eventually surpassed the sales of the traditional window by far. People don't want to see frames. They want to see the image through the glass. The purpose of the window is the view, not the frame.
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  8.    15 Sep 2015 #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    The purpose of the window is the view, not the frame.
    I like how you said that

    It would make a good epitaph for the older Windows OS versions.

    Just for you @HippsieGypsie, I was kicked in the butt by a muse:

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  9.    15 Sep 2015 #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredc View Post
    I tried using backups and complete system images, no can do . I have no idea why it doesn't work because it worked when i tried it during the 30 day period but it hasn't since going more than 30 days.
    Did you have a instillation DVD for your previous OS?? If not then why didn't you??
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  10.    15 Sep 2015 #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    The fact of the matter is, you wrote your first post pretending to speak for the masses... you don't. Everyone has a different opinion.
    I think I heard that there are now about 50 million computers running Windows 10 now.

    But... I guess they all must hate working with it since it's not the royal Windows 7, or maybe, just maybe they can accept change.

    *Cough* Unlike the OP *Cough*

    By the way, anyone else pissed that Windows 10 doesn't look and feel like Windows 3.0?
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