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  1. Joined : Sep 2015
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       14 Sep 2015 #11

    That's great for a temporary solution, but 10 is going to be the only Windows.

    Bottom line, you don't need to force interface changes on users, and you shouldn't. "Skins" was a concept developed nearly 20 years ago already.

    Consider the QWERTY analogy. It's what users want, and it's what users buy, because they are personally invested in the interface.

    OS = functionality + interface. These two parts could be provided by completely different vendors. People should have the CHOICE to retain their existing interface.

    There are real advances in productivity and usability which have been invented by smart guys over the last 30 years and they are being thrown away by this monstrosity.

    Every world-dominating company finally hits a moment when they think their market is their property and they can do what they like with it. And then we move on from them.
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  2. Joined : Jan 2014
    Oak Ridge TN, USA
    Posts : 23,934
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       14 Sep 2015 #12

    Ever hear of Classic Shell.. check it out.
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  3. Joined : Mar 2014
    South Carolina, USA
    Posts : 15,364
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
       14 Sep 2015 #13

    I think I know of something you would really like. Classic Shell - Start menu and other Windows enhancements


    EDIT: Seems Jeff beat me to it.
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  4. Joined : Aug 2015
    Maine
    Posts : 20,914
    Windows10Pro 64Bit on 2 DeskTop Computers
       14 Sep 2015 #14

    Well I'm sticking with windows 10 pro. Like a lot of folks are saying, It would take me about 7 mins to be running Windows 7 Ultimate.
    Cause.....I make backups, lots of them lately. But I still wish Microsoft would fix the small problem I have had with Disk Cleanup.
    Keep hoping it will get an update. Later....
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  5. Joined : Sep 2015
    Posts : 4
    win10
       14 Sep 2015 #15

    Chuck38 said: View Post
    I think I know of something you would really like. Classic Shell - Start menu and other Windows enhancements


    EDIT: Seems Jeff beat me to it.
    I have it guys. And I hope it improves. Maybe we will get to the point where the interface is the same. Classic shell helps, but we have still lost the basic concept of making interface elements look like physical objects with 3D borders: buttons, scrollbars, textboxes. That was still an option in Win7, but is not any more. Because we don't have that functionality, they have to add 'light up' functionality, so that the user knows the extent of the button clickable area. With a real border, light-up isn't needed, because the user knows already what the extent of the clickable area is, and he knows in a way that he didn't even need to learn because it met his existing understanding about buttons. With light-up, it takes a few more eyeball squeezes to know the same thing you used to know anyway.

    I have done a LOT of design, and anyone who has done a lot of design can tell you that "cool looking" is very often a step backward in real usability. And that's what we have here. A trashing of real usability in the name of being "cool looking".

    I hope classic shell improves, but more than that, I hope MS realizes that this is functionality that should be built in, and it doesn't cost them anything, it doesn't reduce their control, the underlying functionality remains the same - unless, that is, it is true what people have always said, that the new Win UI features were always a way to bulk up systems and force new PC purchases, regardless of usability and productivity. Which I guess would make sense, since the underlying financial philosophy of Win10 is that MS only makes money from new PC purchases, not upgrades.
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  6. Joined : Sep 2014
    Posts : 2,923
    Windows 10 Pro
       14 Sep 2015 #16

    customfunctiona said: View Post
    That's great for a temporary solution, but 10 is going to be the only Windows.
    Not for another 10+ years it won't be. And even then, it's not going to be "Windows" in the traditional sense, and never will be again.

    customfunctiona said: View Post
    Bottom line, you don't need to force interface changes on users, and you shouldn't. "Skins" was a concept developed nearly 20 years ago already.
    Repeat after me. Windows 10 is not a new version of Windows 7. It's an entirely new OS. The underlying OS of Windows 7 is Win32, and this is going away permanently in pieces over the next 10 years. It will be less and less for every new release.

    This is not something complaining about will "fix". At best, Microsoft will create something like they did with the new start menu, which is a sort of compromise, but not really.

    Windows is what it is going to be. Microsoft owns it. They can do whatever they want with it. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

    PS: Apple has had the borderless UI for years....

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  7. Joined : Aug 2015
    Maine
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    Windows10Pro 64Bit on 2 DeskTop Computers
       14 Sep 2015 #17

    Don't say that word.....BUY!!! prefer not to, thank you very much!!!
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  8. Joined : Sep 2015
    Posts : 4
    win10
       14 Sep 2015 #18

    Mystere said: View Post
    Windows 10 is not a new version of Windows 7.
    I'm sorry, but you're not right about that. Don't be fooled by the internal version number change. This is still Windows 6.x. The functions are the same; the underlying software is the same. The jump in several version numbers from 6.3 to 10.0 is meaningless. 6.4 would have been more accurate, but someone wanted to make a "statement", is all.

    And in any case, it doesn't matter even if it were new software. Please understand: the UI and the functionality are separate features, could be provided by different vendors, and are individually things that the user should have total control over. And ultimately, we will.

    Mystere said: View Post
    Windows is what it is going to be. Microsoft owns it. They can do whatever they want with it. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
    You're right about that. I thought MS was smart enough to maintain market share, but apparently not.

    XP was a monstrosity (though everyone who's first PC it was did not notice), Vista was a monstrosity (I ignored it), 7 was reasonable, 8 was a monstrosity (I ignored it) and now we're back to a monstrosity again.

    But, there is some hope that reasonableness will be restored, since MS have indicated that 10 is a work in progress. So, we will see.

    In the meantime, I will be actively seeking alternatives.
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  9. Joined : Jan 2014
    Carencro, LA 70520
    Posts : 7,628
    Windows 10
       14 Sep 2015 #19

    Mystere said: View Post
    Not for another 10+ years it won't be. And even then, it's not going to be "Windows" in the traditional sense, and never will be again.



    Repeat after me. Windows 10 is not a new version of Windows 7. It's an entirely new OS. The underlying OS of Windows 7 is Win32, and this is going away permanently in pieces over the next 10 years. It will be less and less for every new release.

    This is not something complaining about will "fix". At best, Microsoft will create something like they did with the new start menu, which is a sort of compromise, but not really.

    Windows is what it is going to be. Microsoft owns it. They can do whatever they want with it. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

    PS: Apple has had the borderless UI for years....
    You mean like New Coke, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1. Yes Coke Cola learned a new lesson in the market place they do not own Coke it is a lesson M$ is still learning.
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  10. Joined : Sep 2014
    Posts : 2,923
    Windows 10 Pro
       14 Sep 2015 #20

    labeeman said: View Post
    You mean like New Coke, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1. Yes Coke Cola learned a new lesson in the market place they do not own Coke it is a lesson M$ is still learning.
    The new coke argument doesn't work with OS's. The interesting thing is that Diet Coke is essentially the Diet New Coke, and that has stayed quite successful.
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