I'd like to try editing imageres.dll. Experience with that file?

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       #11

    Try3 said:
    Ghot,


    What makes you think that it contains any icons?
    Try the test I suggested and I think you'll see that it doesn't contain any.



    It contains icons. This is where C:\Windows\System32\SHELL32.dll silently redirects you when you use it to assign icons.


    Denis



    The test you suggested verifies there are no icons in SHELL32.dll

    When I do the same with shell32.dll.mun the icons are there.
    But when browsing to that file, I again have to choose: All Files ...or I can't see it on the desktop.


    Just ran the same test on Win 10. When I browse to SHELL32.dll on my desktop... it "says" no icons, but shows the icons anyway.
    When I browse to shell32.dll.mun on my desktop, it immediately shows the icons, with no warning message.

    I remember it did this on Windows 7 too. When I browsed to the .dll files in System32 it always popped up a warning, but then showed the icons anyway.
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       #12

    Wisewiz said:
    Okay, now that we've turned to the subject of toolbars, more or less, …
    … Now, I've followed Brink's tutorial to put my Recycle Bin in a toolbar on my taskbar (and experimented with that with great satisfaction), and I've put that toolbar inside another toolbar on my taskbar, and I've got the whole thing working perfectly ...
    My Windows 11 explanation was just to explain to Ghot why I was asking for a check to be done [given that he might have seen my username several times in that forum, to which Ghot is a leading contributor, as here].
    But if you give me half an excuse to rabbit on about how useful Taskbar toolbars are then you won't get anything else done today.
    Taskbar Toolbars - Creating and naming, customising, moving [post #20] - TenForumsTutorials


    Wisewiz said:
    … here's the thing: Windows is particular about the Recycle Bin icons (full and empty). You can't just change them by right-clicking somewhere, as with a shortcut. The little Desktop icons settings panel lets you change them, and it writes the changes to the reg key
    Computer\HKEY_USERS\...\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\CLSID\{645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E}\DefaultIcon
    If you choose custom icons and change them in that panel, you have to go back into the reg and add ",0" (comma zero) to each icon path, or the change won't work reliably.
    ... except for the fact that I can't customize the Recycle Bin icons. Period. Everything I've tried breaks the working alternation between empty and full, and nothing I've tried actually takes.
    I have never noticed any MS or third-party documentation explaining how Windows dynamically changes the Recycle bin icons.
    I just use icons so I can see, for example, which of my own scripts is running or to make a shortcut in my Taskbar toolbar stand out from the others in its subfolder.
    I have never considered the task you are thinking about.
    If I particularly wanted to set a particular shortcut to the Recycle bin in my Taskbat toolbars, I'd create a shortcut to
    Code:
    explorer.exe shell:RecycleBinFolder
    then I'd be able to assign whatever icon I wanted to it [but it would not be dynamic].


    Wisewiz said:
    …I'm still at the point of questioning whether I can successfully edit a system icon file and succeed in booting afterwards.
    It should not affect booting. And since you are now an expert in making system images you'll be able to get back to square one if it does cause any serious symptoms [which I doubt].


    Wisewiz said:
    … The little Desktop icons settings panel lets you change them …
    I don't know what you mean by The little Desktop icons settings panel.


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       #13

    Ghot said:
    When I do the same with shell32.dll.mun the icons are there.
    And if you lop off the .mun from the end of the copy on your desktop to leave just shell32.dll, the icons will still be there.
    - Some of us were playing around with this last year and were even dragging old shell32.dll & imageres.dll out of system images to see when the change happened. It seemed to have started with Version 1709 as I recall but successive versions have seen more & more icons get shifted across to the *.dll.mun files.

    I'm not at all sure about the warning messages & behaviour you describe.
    Mine just tells me to get lost when there are no icons in it but does not give me any errors when using C:\Windows\System32\Shell32.dll normally.

    Denis
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       #14

    Try3 said:
    And if you lop off the .mun from the end of the copy on your desktop to leave just shell32.dll, the icons will still be there.
    - Some of us were playing around with this last year and were even dragging old shell32.dll & imageres.dll out of system images to see when the change happened. It seemed to have started with Version 1709 as I recall but successive versions have seen more & more icons get shifted across to the *.dll.mun files.

    I'm not at all sure about the warning messages & behaviour you describe.
    Mine just tells me to get lost when there are no icons in it but does not give me any errors when using C:\Windows\System32\Shell32.dll normally.

    Denis


    Top pic shows the warning. Bottom pic shows what happens when I click OK on the warning box.
    This is Win 10 with SHELL32.dll on the desktop.

    When I browse to Shell32.dll in it's proper location... the icons come up with no warning box.




    I'd like to try editing imageres.dll. Experience with that file?-image1.png
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       #15

    Ghot,

    So yours is automatically redirecting you to "C:\Windows\System32\Shell32.dll" when you select a non-icon file.
    - I have to start again with the Change icon button of the shortcut's Properties.
    - I've always had to and assumed everybody else had to as well.

    Added later - I have to clear the whole path from the input box Look for icons in this file to get it to redirect me to "C:\Windows\System32\Shell32.dll" automatically.

    Denis
    Last edited by Try3; 27 Jul 2021 at 16:23.
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       #16

    Try3 said:
    Ghot,

    So yours is automatically redirecting you to "C:\Windows\System32\Shell32.dll" when you select a non-icon file.
    - I have to start again with the Change icon button of the shortcut's Properties.
    - I've always had to and assumed everybody else had to as well.

    Denis

    Yeah... I dunno why.
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       #17

    Try3 said:
    I don't know what you mean by The little Desktop icons settings panel.
    I'd like to try editing imageres.dll. Experience with that file?-little-settings-panel.jpg
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       #18

    Oh,
    Rundll32.exe shell32.dll,Control_RunDLL desk.cpl,,0

    OK.

    Denis
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       #19

    Oh, yeah,

    Personalize, Themes, Desktop icon settings.

    That oh yeah.

    RB settings there set the key values in the key I cited above:
    Computer\HKEY_USERS\...\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\CLSID\{645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E}\DefaultIcon

    But changing those values, whether directly in the reg key, or in the DIS panel, or by r-clicking the icons in the toolbar (in the toolbar) on the taskbar, ... all of those break the dynamic nature of the icon, and the remoter ones (not r-clicking the icon itself) don't have any effect at all.

    Old Wiseguy, er, Dimwiz, oh, Wisewiz here has a habit of not starting threads about problems with solutions. His threads are mostly annoyances that can't be squashed.
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       #20

    I can find the icons i wana replace in imageres.dll.mun file but when i replace them the file corrupts somehow for windows? Like everything just breaks. I have no problem extracting the ICO's, making my changes and putting them back with various software (ive played with like 3) but whenever i try to update the file everything breaks. I can restore it easily but how can one edit a imageres.dll.mun file correctly? Whats the method?

    Can anyone advise?

    Oh and bump lol
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