Taskbar Toolgroups used to retain menu order

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  1. Posts : 1
    Windows 10
       #11

    I know this is an old thread but i had to create an account here just so I could thank you for posting your (insane, random, accidental) solution to this problem. I've had the same problem and it's been driving me crazy trying to find a fix. I have 3 custom toolbars, each of which contains about 20 servers I ssh to frequently, and the display order is important to my productivity. When we upgraded our work laptops to Windows 10 a while back, the issue appeared and just as mysteriously seemed to resolve itself. The toolbars have been retaining their item order perfectly for about a year and a half. Yesterday we had to create new Windows accounts & suddenly they started rearranging themselves into alphabetical order on every reboot. Very annoying! Your fix worked perfectly, so far. I have used the tool 7+ Taskbar Tweaker to stop taskbar items from also rearranging themselves, but it doesn't seem to work on the toolbars. It's all very mysterious & one of those irritating design flaws where the OS takes control out of the user's hands for no good reason. Anyway - thanks for sharing!
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  2. Posts : 158
    Windows 10 Pro x64 Ver. 21H2 Build 19044.1706
    Thread Starter
       #12

    I hear you! Man I was frustrated too!
    Glad I could help!

    Be careful with "Windows speedup & cleaning" tools they seem to be the culprit as one of them removed something in the registry that is key to retaining the sort order . Those entries while evidently not needed appear to have the purpose function retaining the sort order. Which ones I don't know.

    Best,

    D
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  3. Posts : 5
    Win 10, Win 7
       #13

    Hi dorcom,

    Thank you for posting your slip-of-the-mouse solution!!!

    I've had a 'Desktop' toolbar as a mainstay on my machine for many years. All of a sudden, the list of items was re-sorted from my desired sort order. Changing the sort order would not survive a logoff / logon or restart.

    Following your instructions, I simply dragged a random Desktop shortcut onto the chevrons of the Desktop toolbar. The shortcut landed at the top of the list. Thereafter, I could resort as desired and the sort order remained in tact.

    Thank you again.

    -Kevin N.
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  4. Posts : 158
    Windows 10 Pro x64 Ver. 21H2 Build 19044.1706
    Thread Starter
       #14

    Kevin

    Glad I was able to help with that nightmare of an OS!
    It seems every other day it's something else with M$ crap.

    D
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  5. Posts : 158
    Windows 10 Pro x64 Ver. 21H2 Build 19044.1706
    Thread Starter
       #15

    dorcom said:
    By accident and a slip of the hand I found the solution!
    Forget the registry, you going to die before you find an answer.

    I was moving a shortcut on my desktop to a lower region when I slipped off the mouse pad with the mouse.
    The mouse pointer was over the double arrow (Chevron) of one of the tool groups in the taskbar. A text popped up with a right pointing arrow and the word "move to" resp. "move to 'xyz' [group]".
    It was at that moment I had let go of the left mouse button.
    The shortcut was now in the pop-up menu of that taskbar toolbar group but also still remained on the desktop. It was not actually "moved" as indicated. the shortcut item name started with an X and was in the very top of the menu before any alphanumerical entries or folders and links.

    A few days later I rebooted the system and had forgotten about it. But when I later clicked on that particular taskbar toolbar group I noticed that that accidentally moved link was still in the same position in the menu. this indicated to me that it retained the custom desired order. so I rearranged in that particular pop-up menu several items and rebooted.
    Lo and behold! the menu retained the order I had sorted it in since my problem was that all menus suddenly sorted automatically by name and not by custom arrangement!

    So I did a test with all the other menus by dragging one random shortcut into each menu and rearranged the menu order, rebooted and, hooray! all the menus now retained the desired sorting order again!
    Removing that particular previously dragged in shortcut thereafter did not have an adverse effect either.

    Trying to find out the before-and-after difference in the registry has so far been a quest equal to finding the Oak Island treasure... all sorts of irrelevant entries with lengthy cryptic hexadecimal entries but nothing that would indicate were the culprit and answer to the solution lies.

    Important to note is however, that this does not work if you right click and open that particular taskbar toolbar group folder and drag an item into. the restoration of the custom sort order only works when you drag any given shortcut from the desktop over the double arrow Chevron. you can thereafter delete that previously tracked shortcut. the sort order will be retained.

    I hope this helps all who have dealt with that issue!
    Well more than 2 years ago I thought I had solved the problem. All worked fine until recently. Now once again it looks like Microsoft introduced as usual a few more bugs to kill the joy of having a desktop customize the way I want and need.

    For some reasons the sorting of the menu is not retained enough to reboot it falls back to a different type of arrangement which looks kind of partially sorted. The best quirk is that not all the menu folders due to some of them retain it.
    So I checked every setting between the 2 kinds, the ones that do the ones that don't, but everything including all security, group and policy settings are identical but despite being identical some folders don't retain, whereas others others do? WTF?
    How can this be? All toolbar menu groups reside as folder in a "toolbars" folder in users [username].

    I tried my old posted method and it doesn't work.
    Last edited by dorcom; 01 Sep 2021 at 01:31.
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  6. Posts : 1,218
    W10-Pro 22H2
       #16

    AS you have updated: I sort my toolbar items by Name (rt click), and that seems to stick. Are you trying (and failing) to retain a non-alphabetical order?
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  7. Posts : 158
    Windows 10 Pro x64 Ver. 21H2 Build 19044.1706
    Thread Starter
       #17

    mngerhold said:
    AS you have updated: I sort my toolbar items by Name (rt click), and that seems to stick. Are you trying (and failing) to retain a non-alphabetical order?
    As I started out writing in my #1 post back in 08 May 2019 "Taskbar Toolgroups used to retain menu order" I eventually had found how to get it to work as described in my post #10 on 14 Jun 2019.
    And it worked until recently.
    Now again it does not retain the desired and arranged (non-alphabetical) order. What also has changed is that the old method discovered --as described in post #10 from 2019-- also no longer works.
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  8. Posts : 1,218
    W10-Pro 22H2
       #18

    dorcom said:
    Now again it does not retain the desired and arranged (non-alphabetical) order.
    Well, all I can say is that a manually-changed order has stuck on my PC (Pro, build 19042.1165).
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