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  1.    03 Jun 2017 #11
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    Probably a good way forward would be to
    a. Create a disk image
    b. update your BIOS
    c. manually upgrade Win 10
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  2.    04 Jun 2017 #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalchina View Post
    There are two different aspects to this question - functionality and bugs.
    1. Does it add significant useful functionality for the typical user?
    Essentially- no.
    2. Are there potential problems some users encounter?
    Yes. See this forum and read through some of the posts.
    3. Are there or have there been some issues all users encounter?
    Yes. But I don't think you'd notice any in normal use.
    So I take it that it would probably be wisest at this point to upgrade to the Anniversary Update, and wait to install the Creators Update until it's mandatory (by which time most of the bugs should have been removed)?
    I think that was a refresh or reset, not an in-place upgrade repair install. You appear to be confusing two different things.
    (See the Tutorial section for how to do each of an in-place upgrade repair install and a reset).
    An in-place upgrade repair install requires using an iso of the same base build and language as that installed, starting from having logged in normally.
    The method that I used was the exact one starting with step 4 on this page (using a DVD that I had created with the media creation tool):

    Repair Install Windows 10 with an In-place Upgrade
    An in-place upgrade repair install always keeps installed programs and most user settings.It will not fix some registry related problems, and will not fix a corrupt user profile.
    As much as I hate to have to start all over again (reinstall programs again, re-create my ideal Windows settings, etc), I'm starting to think that I should maybe do the same thing that I did before again this time, to make sure that everything (including the registry) is free of corruption. I don't want even a 0.01% chance of any problems developing.
    Quote Originally Posted by philc43 View Post
    The BIOS you are running is ver 02.57. There is a new version v02.74 available dated Nov 2016. Please update
    I'm extremely leery of doing that, as the last computer that I had (also an HP 6305 Pro) had some weird problems after I updated the BIOS to that version. (I had performed the BIOS update in order to attempt to fix a recurring BSOD problem. The BIOS update did not solve the problem.) Whenever my computer would go on uninterruptable power supply power (due to local blackouts) and I would later restart my computer, AMD Catalyst Control Center would not ever start up again (either automatically or manually) until I unplugged the computer for over 30 seconds and plugged it back in. That implies to me that the BIOS update may have messed with how the motherboard communicates with the graphics card in some way.

    I don't know for sure whether the problem started after the BIOS update, or I just didn't notice it until then. But as it's still possible that the BIOS update was to blame, I don't wish to risk updating the BIOS on my new computer unless I somehow find out that the BIOS update didn't cause the problem. And I know of no way of finding that out right now.

    The BIOS update is locked so that it can't be overwritten by a previous version. So if I were to install it and run into problems, there would be no way of undoing it.
    There are a lot of windows update failures in the logs - this would explain why you have not seen an update history and also why you see the Windows Modules Installer Worker running a lot of the time. I would run the Windows Update troubleshooter to see if you can get this sorted. Troubleshoot Problems in Windows 10 with Troubleshooters
    I think that it's probably because I've been turning my computer on and off a lot recently. I'm also starting to think that I might have to update my version of Windows 10, which would maybe fix any updating problems anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by dalchina View Post
    Probably a good way forward would be to
    a. Create a disk image
    b. update your BIOS
    c. manually upgrade Win 10
    A. That's my standard first step.

    B. I don't think that this would be prudent at this time. See above.

    C. By "manually", do you mean by using an ISO or the media creation tool, or do you mean by using the built-in Windows Update center?


    EDIT: I just checked Windows Update, and Windows is automatically downloading
    version 1607 (without my having done anything to cause it to do so). It's at 57% right now. I'll leave it alone for the time being, in case messing with it would mess anything up, but I don't know what to make of this development (other than that it's frustrating that Windows would do this on its own).
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  3.    05 Jun 2017 #13
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    Hi, if you are running 1511 now, I'd be struggling to imagine why you would receive 1607, when the current build is the next one- the Creator's Upgrade.

    Note: up to 1607, such updates are part of the normal way these are delivered. MS is changing this (perhaps they've finally had enough flak).
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  4.    05 Jun 2017 #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalchina View Post
    Hi, if you are running 1511 now, I'd be struggling to imagine why you would receive 1607, when the current build is the next one- the Creator's Upgrade.
    It might be because I have the "defer feature upgrades" option in Windows Update checked.

    EDIT: Something weird just happened. I double-clicked a photo on my desktop (which should have opened it in Windows' built-in Photos app, and got the message "The app didn't start". I then tried to open the Photos app manually by searching for it and opening it, but it just opens for a split second then closes. Could this be because of the update that's downloading, or is it from something else?
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  5.    05 Jun 2017 #15
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    Well, defer feature upgrades simplistically should stop an upgrade for a considerable period - which it has- and I have it set myself to delay the CU. But I read somewhere that after so many months you'd be prompted or some such... can you post a screenshot of what is downloading - presumably Settings, Windows Update?

    No idea why Photos isn't working. Should be completely unrelated to a download.

    If you do successfully upgrade to 1607, and there isn't a problem with an older BIOS, your Photos problem may well be resolved.
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  6.    05 Jun 2017 #16
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    Here it is:

    Attachment 138092
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  7.    05 Jun 2017 #17
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    I would make sure you have a disk image of your current system before the upgrade actually starts.

    E.g. Macrium Reflect (free) + large enough external disk (e.g. up to 2x what is to be backed up)
    Option Backup, Windows Backup
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  8.    05 Jun 2017 #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalchina View Post
    I would make sure you have a disk image of your current system before the upgrade actually starts.
    I created a full Macrium system image backup about three hours ago.
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  9.    05 Jun 2017 #19
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    What Does ā€œDefer Upgradesā€ in Windows 10 Mean?
    Feature upgrades can only be delayed several months. It’s unclear exactly how many months these upgrades will be deferred for. But it is clear that you can’t defer these upgrades indefinitely.
    Windows Update - Defer Feature and Quality Updates in Windows 10 Windows 10 Windows Update Activation Tutorials
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  10.    05 Jun 2017 #20
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like your computer is attempting to upgrade to 1607 but is rolling back at some point during the upgrade. If this is the case, please watch it while it attempts an upgrade and write down the result and extend codes.

    We will also want to see the upgrade logs, Microsoft has created a great document on troubleshooting Windows 10 upgrade errors that specifies where the log files are located. Please post them here, along with where they were located.
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