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  1. Joined : Dec 2015
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       21 Feb 2016 #1

    System Service Exception BSOD and Black Screen while loading windows


    This is ridiculous. After over a week and thinking I had all my problems solved in my other thread, driver_verifier_iomanager_violation BSOD loop on starup, it's even worse now. This time my BSOD came from having chrome open while rendering in Premiere. It would do this every time so I turned off chrome while rendering and I wouldn't get any. I never had any problems with games. I did notice Chrome would stutter with Facebook open but nothing else would cause issues. The last render I did rendered out. I then opened chrome and my computer froze. I tried to boot in and it froze after I loaded in to the desktop. I then set the BIOS to default settings and turned off AMD cool and quiet and AMD turbo. Now after the ASUS splash loading screen pops up, it goes to a black screen. Rebooting a million times and trying to repair did not work. The other monitor doesn't even get a signal. Leaving the computer off with no power for awhile did not work either which always fixed it before. checking the disks everything seemed fine. Safe mode blue screens everytime too within a minute if it even boots up to begin with. I really have no idea what is going on.
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  2. Joined : Oct 2013
    Tropic of Cancer
    Posts : 1,648
    Microsoft Windows 10 Home
       21 Feb 2016 #2

    From the title of the previous thread it appears that you have enabled driver verifier there. Is it still enabled? Make it sure that it is not.
    Arc said:
    Before enabling DV, make it sure that you have earlier System restore points made in your computer. You can check it easily by using CCleaner looking at Tools > System Restore.

    If there is no points, make a System Restore Point manually before enabling DV. [/warn]
    Tip   Tip



    Let us know the results, with the subsequent crash dumps, if any.
    Driver verifier can cause this situation by its own virtue.
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  3. Joined : Dec 2015
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    Windows 10
       21 Feb 2016 #3

    Arc said: View Post
    From the title of the previous thread it appears that you have enabled driver verifier there. Is it still enabled? Make it sure that it is not.

    Driver verifier can cause this situation by its own virtue.
    I already fixed that issue in that post along with doing a system restore to the computer. I didn't touch driver verifier since the restore.
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  4. Joined : Oct 2013
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       21 Feb 2016 #4

    bytes64 said: View Post
    I already fixed that issue in that post along with doing a system restore to the computer. I didn't touch driver verifier since the restore.
    bytes64 said: View Post
    Safe mode blue screens everytime too within a minute if it even boots up to begin with.
    These too gives a fair idea that what is going on is most possibly a hardware related issue.

    Attempt a vanilla windows installation, and see at what point the issue occurs. It will help you to determine the failing hardware.

    If the issue starts to occur even before the installation is complete, it is being caused either by RAM, or CPU, or the motherboard (then we may attempt to minimize the possibilities).
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  5. Joined : Dec 2015
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    Windows 10
       21 Feb 2016 #5

    Arc said: View Post
    These too gives a fair idea that what is going on is most possibly a hardware related issue.

    Attempt a vanilla windows installation, and see at what point the issue occurs. It will help you to determine the failing hardware.

    If the issue starts to occur even before the installation is complete, it is being caused either by RAM, or CPU, or the motherboard (then we may attempt to minimize the possibilities).
    Attachment 65419

    I managed to sneak in to safe mode for a few minutes and noticed this about the CPU. I noticed these warnings before and they seem to happen during my renders. This was right before the BSOD that screwed everything up. I'm hoping it's the CPU so I can just go swap it at the store as I have an extended warranty. I do for the mobo as well but I really hope it's not the mobo....
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  6. Joined : Oct 2013
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       21 Feb 2016 #6
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  7. Joined : Dec 2015
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    Windows 10
       21 Feb 2016 #7

    Arc said: View Post
    Attachment 65532
    I managed to get in to safe mode long enough to get the blue screen info. It doesn't look like all the dumps are there but it got a few.

    I've tried to reseat the CPU and nothing worked. I noticed it before trying that that it wasn't even giving me a signal anymore where I'm supposed to logon but then it was showing there was hard drive activity unlike before. I uninstalled Nvidia drivers through safe mode. It actually got in to windows for a split second after doing so but gave the same BSOD quickly after. So now it's allowing me to login but it quickly BSOD. Safe mode is a crap shoot if it works or not. I'll be trying things out from that guide but now I'm more confused than ever.
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  8. Joined : Oct 2013
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       22 Feb 2016 #8

    All the dumps I have checked are 0x3B ones, with various different "probably caused by" lines.
    Well, what may cause a 0x3B in safe mode, where almost all the third party drivers are inactive including the graphics driver? Either a corrupt windows install, or a corrupt RAM, or even bad, the worst possibility.

    Is there any reason that you are running the RAM with the minimum possible speed?
    Code:
      Speed                         1066MHz
    Test your RAM modules for possible errors. Run memtest86+ for at least 8 consecutive passes.

    If it start showing errors/red lines, stop testing. A single error is enough to determine that something is going bad there.

    Let us know how it goes. A camera snap of memtest86+ window before closing the program will be a great feedback.
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  9. Joined : Dec 2015
    Posts : 37
    Windows 10
       22 Feb 2016 #9

    Arc said: View Post
    All the dumps I have checked are 0x3B ones, with various different "probably caused by" lines.
    Well, what may cause a 0x3B in safe mode, where almost all the third party drivers are inactive including the graphics driver? Either a corrupt windows install, or a corrupt RAM, or even bad, the worst possibility.

    Is there any reason that you are running the RAM with the minimum possible speed?
    Code:
      Speed                         1066MHz
    Test your RAM modules for possible errors.Run memtest86+ for at least 8 consecutive passes.

    If it start showing errors/red lines, stop testing. A single error is enough to determine that something is going bad there.

    Let us know how it goes. A camera snap of memtest86+ window before closing the program will be a great feedback.
    I have no idea why it would be running that slow. I did a memtest a month or so ago for the other forum thread as I was getting the system service exception bsod. Did 10 or so passes and there were zero errors.

    EDIT: I am starting to wonder if it's improper grounding of the motherboard. I noticed it isn't perfectly flush with I/O plate shield and I tried reseatting it a few weeks ago with the same result of it being slightly off. I feel like the case or mobo is warped. A few months ago it was shorted when plugging in a USB device. I don't think that's supposed to happen.

    I also just tried doing a reset on Windows keeping personal files..got a blue screen immediately after signing in.
    Last edited by bytes64; 22 Feb 2016 at 02:20.
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  10. Joined : Oct 2013
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       22 Feb 2016 #10

    In order to minimize the possibilities, you have to proceed systematically. First, the RAM. Then the CPU, and finally the motherboard.

    Yes, the RAM test with memtest86+ takes a long time.

    If you are sure that your issue is not being caused by the RAM, then first dismantle and re-seat the computer. Take the proper care of the pins, ports, thermal paste and all other small things including zip ties.

    If still it problems, test the CPU with Prime95. You will need another computer to perform the test.

    If that also goes free from errors, blame the motherboard itself.
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