Multiple BSODs Daily


  1. Posts : 5
    Win10 Version 10.0.19045 Build 19045
       #1

    Multiple BSODs Daily


    In the past week or two I have started experiencing multiple daily BSODs, under Win10 Version 10.0.19045 Build 19045.

    When I am at the computer, these have always occurred when I have Mozilla up and running (though I generally always have a few reference tabs and/or YouTube Music going when at my PC). These errors do not appear to be triggered by any particular activity: I may be browsing, playing a game, watching an online video, etc. There appear to be BSODs happening when I am away from the PC and it is sleeping. I have not recently changed any of my installed hardware, and this PC is over a year old. Previously, I may have experienced a handful of BSODs over the course of that year. My gut feeling is that there is some sort of driver issue, but I can't isolate it.

    Any additional troubleshooting steps or assistance parsing these logs would be greatly appreciated!

    Things I have tried:
    -Updating BIOS
    -Updating drivers from mobo maker's site
    -Updating GPU and CPU drivers from AMD
    -Running Win10 Memory Testing
    -In-Place Upgrade to Current Win10 Version
    -Running some of the generic Win10 self-diagnostics in CMD or powershell (e.g., checking file integrity, checking network settings, etc).

    Please find my V2 log files here: REDRED-(2024-03-15_08-24-33).zip - Google Drive

    - - - Updated - - -

    Thinking about it more, I do periodically check for an update my mobo BIOS, as there have been frequent releases. It could be possible that some new BIOS setting or BIOS default is creating instability (e.g., by lowering voltage to something that requires higher voltage to be stable). Typically after a BIOS update I simply specify my primary boot device and set the memory to EXPO DDR5-6000 and ECO Mode, which has been my practice since building the PC.
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  2. Posts : 41,475
    windows 10 professional version 1607 build 14393.969 64 bit
       #2

    1) The opening post did not report a new Windows installation.

    What happened on 03/11?




    2) The Ryzen 7 7700X CPU supports RAM up to 5200.
    At the time that the V2 log collector ran the RAM was clocked at 6000.

    a) Make sure that there is no overclocking during the troubleshooting.
    b) Turn off XMP.




    3) The G. Skill RAM F5-6000J3636F16G were not seen on the Qualified Vendor List (QVL)
    B650 AORUS ELITE AX (rev. 1.0/1.1) Support | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global
    If available, use QVL ram during the troubleshooting.




    4) Run Tuneup plus > post a share link

    https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...p_plus_log.bat

    Batch files for use in BSOD debugging

    Batch files for use in BSOD debugging




    5) Uninstall and reinstall the AMD GPU drivers using DDU:

    Display Driver Uninstaller: How to use | Tutorials

    Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) | Wagnardsoft

    https://www.amd.com/en/support



    Code:
    amduw23g	amduw23g	c:\windows\system32\driverstore\filerepository\u0400566.inf_amd64_5e4d397bddb6fe15\b400392\amdkmdag.sys


    Code:
    Name	AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX
    PNP Device ID	PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_744C&SUBSYS_2422148C&REV_C8\6&189A910D&0&00000009
    Adapter Type	AMD Radeon Graphics Processor (0x744C), Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. compatible
    Adapter Description	AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX
    Adapter RAM	(1,048,576) bytes
    Installed Drivers	C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\u0400566.inf_amd64_5e4d397bddb6fe15\B400392\amdxn64.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\u0400566.inf_amd64_5e4d397bddb6fe15\B400392\amdxx64.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\u0400566.inf_amd64_5e4d397bddb6fe15\B400392\amdxx64.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\u0400566.inf_amd64_5e4d397bddb6fe15\B400392\amdxc64.dll
    Driver Version	31.0.24019.1006
    INF File	oem12.inf (ati2mtag_Navi31 section)
    Driver	C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DRIVERSTORE\FILEREPOSITORY\U0400566.INF_AMD64_5E4D397BDDB6FE15\B400392\AMDKMDAG.SYS (31.0.24019.1006, 95.46 MB (100,094,904 bytes), 3/7/2024 10:27 PM)
    	
    Name	AMD Radeon(TM) Graphics
    PNP Device ID	PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_164E&SUBSYS_D0001458&REV_C3\4&16012499&0&0041
    Adapter Type	AMD Radeon Graphics Processor (0x164E), Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. compatible
    Adapter Description	AMD Radeon(TM) Graphics
    Adapter RAM	512.00 MB (536,870,912 bytes)
    Installed Drivers	C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\u0400566.inf_amd64_5e4d397bddb6fe15\B400392\amdxn64.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\u0400566.inf_amd64_5e4d397bddb6fe15\B400392\amdxx64.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\u0400566.inf_amd64_5e4d397bddb6fe15\B400392\amdxx64.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\u0400566.inf_amd64_5e4d397bddb6fe15\B400392\amdxc64.dll
    Driver Version	31.0.24019.1006
    INF File	oem12.inf (ati2mtag_Raphael section)
    Driver	C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DRIVERSTORE\FILEREPOSITORY\U0400566.INF_AMD64_5E4D397BDDB6FE15\B400392\AMDKMDAG.SYS (31.0.24019.1006, 95.46 MB (100,094,904 bytes), 3/7/2024 10:27 PM)
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  3. Posts : 107
    Windows 10
       #3

    I'd give importance to the RAM discrepancy, but if your processor does only support 5200, the motherboard should select it by default, even if the 6000 frecuency could be selected w/o XMP. I have 2 DDR3 modules whose highest JEDEC profile has the exact same frequency (1866) and latencies as their XMP profile, I suppose including the latter was some marketing.

    Upon combining these modules with others with max JEDEC profile at 1600 and an XMP at 1866, the motherboard selected 1600 on its own, although all parts support 1866 officially (processor, motherboard, and both pairs of modules) and I left it so. Meaning this that if you're exhausting the number of modules or the max RAM official capacity, you might have to run the memory one step below 5200.

    Unless upgrading the BIOS has done progresses that Idk about, flashing the BIOS will return to default settings (for instance I've had to set the SATA mode to RAID manually after any BIOS flash in one of my systems) and automatic settings (such as default clocks for everything including RAM; if you've installed faster RAM than what the processor or the motherboard supports officially, it should be underclocked because otherwise a default processor or motherboard overclocking would happen, this would be buggy behaviour).
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  4. Posts : 5
    Win10 Version 10.0.19045 Build 19045
    Thread Starter
       #4

    Thank you for such a comprehensive response!

    zbook said:
    1) The opening post did not report a new Windows installation.

    What happened on 03/11?
    This is the in-place Windows Upgrade that I mentioned during troubleshooting. (Reinstall Windows; preserve files.)

    2) The Ryzen 7 7700X CPU supports RAM up to 5200.
    At the time that the V2 log collector ran the RAM was clocked at 6000.

    a) Make sure that there is no overclocking during the troubleshooting.
    b) Turn off XMP.
    To gently push back, AMD has marketed these CPUs and mobos as DDR5-6000 compatible, and indeed shipped DDR5-6000 RAM to all review sites. I've also been running at DDR5-6000 for a year with no issues. That said, I turned off EXPO (AMD XMP) after making the post, to try and isolate the failure. So far no crashes, but I'll wait a day before writing off the problem as solved.

    [/quote]
    3) The G. Skill RAM F5-6000J3636F16G were not seen on the Qualified Vendor List (QVL)
    B650 AORUS ELITE AX (rev. 1.0/1.1) Support | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global
    If available, use QVL ram during the troubleshooting.[/quote]
    Thank you for the link! I'd be miffed if Microcenter bundled poorly-compatible RAM with the mobo, but if the EXPO "off" fix works, I will switch to RAM on the QVL list as a permanent fix.

    Can do! I'll do these if the EXPO "off" doesn't sustain stability.



    Code:
    amduw23g	amduw23g	c:\windows\system32\driverstore\filerepository\u0400566.inf_amd64_5e4d397bddb6fe15\b400392\amdkmdag.sys


    Code:
    Name	AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX
    PNP Device ID	PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_744C&SUBSYS_2422148C&REV_C8\6&189A910D&0&00000009
    Adapter Type	AMD Radeon Graphics Processor (0x744C), Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. compatible
    Adapter Description	AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX
    Adapter RAM	(1,048,576) bytes
    Installed Drivers	C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\u0400566.inf_amd64_5e4d397bddb6fe15\B400392\amdxn64.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\u0400566.inf_amd64_5e4d397bddb6fe15\B400392\amdxx64.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\u0400566.inf_amd64_5e4d397bddb6fe15\B400392\amdxx64.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\u0400566.inf_amd64_5e4d397bddb6fe15\B400392\amdxc64.dll
    Driver Version	31.0.24019.1006
    INF File	oem12.inf (ati2mtag_Navi31 section)
    Driver	C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DRIVERSTORE\FILEREPOSITORY\U0400566.INF_AMD64_5E4D397BDDB6FE15\B400392\AMDKMDAG.SYS (31.0.24019.1006, 95.46 MB (100,094,904 bytes), 3/7/2024 10:27 PM)
    	
    Name	AMD Radeon(TM) Graphics
    PNP Device ID	PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_164E&SUBSYS_D0001458&REV_C3\4&16012499&0&0041
    Adapter Type	AMD Radeon Graphics Processor (0x164E), Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. compatible
    Adapter Description	AMD Radeon(TM) Graphics
    Adapter RAM	512.00 MB (536,870,912 bytes)
    Installed Drivers	C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\u0400566.inf_amd64_5e4d397bddb6fe15\B400392\amdxn64.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\u0400566.inf_amd64_5e4d397bddb6fe15\B400392\amdxx64.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\u0400566.inf_amd64_5e4d397bddb6fe15\B400392\amdxx64.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\u0400566.inf_amd64_5e4d397bddb6fe15\B400392\amdxc64.dll
    Driver Version	31.0.24019.1006
    INF File	oem12.inf (ati2mtag_Raphael section)
    Driver	C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DRIVERSTORE\FILEREPOSITORY\U0400566.INF_AMD64_5E4D397BDDB6FE15\B400392\AMDKMDAG.SYS (31.0.24019.1006, 95.46 MB (100,094,904 bytes), 3/7/2024 10:27 PM)
    [/QUOTE]

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    JLArranz said:
    I'd give importance to the RAM discrepancy, but if your processor does only support 5200, the motherboard should select it by default, even if the 6000 frecuency could be selected w/o XMP. I have 2 DDR3 modules whose highest JEDEC profile has the exact same frequency (1866) and latencies as their XMP profile, I suppose including the latter was some marketing.

    Upon combining these modules with others with max JEDEC profile at 1600 and an XMP at 1866, the motherboard selected 1600 on its own, although all parts support 1866 officially (processor, motherboard, and both pairs of modules) and I left it so. Meaning this that if you're exhausting the number of modules or the max RAM official capacity, you might have to run the memory one step below 5200.

    Unless upgrading the BIOS has done progresses that Idk about, flashing the BIOS will return to default settings (for instance I've had to set the SATA mode to RAID manually after any BIOS flash in one of my systems) and automatic settings (such as default clocks for everything including RAM; if you've installed faster RAM than what the processor or the motherboard supports officially, it should be underclocked because otherwise a default processor or motherboard overclocking would happen, this would be buggy behaviour).
    Thanks for your advice! As mentioned in my other reply, I turned off EXPO yesterday and am seeing if that resolves the issue. If that works, my next steps will be:

    1. Replacing RAM with approved-vendor-list RAM.
    2. If that doesn't work at EXPO 6000MHz, then see if I can run at something lower like DDR5-5800.

    The challenge with avoiding EXPO entirely is that you give up about 20% in some games by doing so, which is pretty brutal. And I know that this mobo was running fine at 6000MHz for a while.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Update: Experienced my first crash with EXPO off. Moving ahead with additional troubleshooting.
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  5. Posts : 5
    Win10 Version 10.0.19045 Build 19045
    Thread Starter
       #5

    Update 3/21


    On a hunch, I swapped in RAM on the mobo compatibility list, and the BSODs went away. Everything was great for a few days (passed Prime95 and CoreCycler overnight; no crashes), until the system randomly rebooted twice in a row today without a BSOD or error.

    Swapping out the PSU to eliminate the likely culprit.
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  6. Posts : 41,475
    windows 10 professional version 1607 build 14393.969 64 bit
       #6

    Please post a new V2 share link into the newest post.

    If unexpected shutdowns and restarts continue without BSOD please post system and application event viewer share links.

    How to share event logs in case of a computer issue - Your Windows Guide
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  7. Posts : 5
    Win10 Version 10.0.19045 Build 19045
    Thread Starter
       #7

    I think this is solved.

    Pertinent troubleshooting steps:
    1. Swapped out RAM - ended BSODs.
    2. Swapped out PSU - did not end black screens.
    3. Left EXPO on but turned off memory context restore - stable so far.
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  8. Posts : 41,475
    windows 10 professional version 1607 build 14393.969 64 bit
       #8

    In another 1 - 3 days post a new V2 share link into the newest post.
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  9. Posts : 5
    Win10 Version 10.0.19045 Build 19045
    Thread Starter
       #9

    Solution


    To document for someone else: end solution was rolling back the BIOS several versions, which ended my random reboots.
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