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  1. Posts : 21
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       #31

    Exactly. Back when I tried to get a stable timing with them I maxed out at 3133. 3200 wasn't stable. Now that I experience crashing I suspect it to be something with the overclock, although maybe it's something else. I'll have to give it some time at default speeds I guess
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       #32

    That's not right for Samsung B Die. It should run 3200 without breaking a sweat. I have a different model G Skill 3200C14 also Samsung b die.
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       #33

    Hi. Koss, I have just seen this thread, I thought it was about GPU and I'n not well versed with Nvidia cards so didn't pay any attention to it. Hope you fixed whatever the problem was.
    As for Ryzen, I wish you got x470 version of MB, so much better memory handling with 2nd gen Ryzen. I had that one for short time and RAM faster than 2933MHz was not all stable even as my RAM was rated to 3600MHz, Samsung b-die Kingston.
    Anyway, is that a permanent OC for processor ? That part looks good.
    Here's some programs to help with RAM and it's OC.
    This one: http://www.softnology.biz/files.html can show you many particulars about RAM, Just choose EEPROM tab and Read SPD ...
    This one to help with calculating timings for OC: Download Ryzen DRAM Calculator | TechPowerUp
    And this one: Download Ryzen Timing Checker | TechPowerUp for all details about RAM setup at present.

    About BIOS, latest version is 2024 PRIME X370-PRO BIOS & FIRMWARE | Motherboards | ASUS USA
    which is said to give better memory compatibility.
    Most DDR4 need at least 1.35v for speeds above 2133 - 2400MHz, some times even more for stability. Also may want to set SOC voltage to 1.1v or very slightly higher, that helps stability.
    Memory wise, also look and change Gear down mode and Power Down Enable settings which can also affect RAM stability.
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       #34

    Thanks for helping Mike. I am thinking/hoping the BSODs were because of the graphics drivers. I think we have that stopped now. Stutters, in many cases, are caused by ram or unstable systems. I will be monitoring this.
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       #35

    CountMike said:
    Hi. Koss, I have just seen this thread, I thought it was about GPU and I'n not well versed with Nvidia cards so didn't pay any attention to it. Hope you fixed whatever the problem was.
    As for Ryzen, I wish you got x470 version of MB, so much better memory handling with 2nd gen Ryzen. I had that one for short time and RAM faster than 2933MHz was not all stable even as my RAM was rated to 3600MHz, Samsung b-die Kingston.
    Anyway, is that a permanent OC for processor ? That part looks good.
    Here's some programs to help with RAM and it's OC.
    This one: http://www.softnology.biz/files.html can show you many particulars about RAM, Just choose EEPROM tab and Read SPD ...
    This one to help with calculating timings for OC: Download Ryzen DRAM Calculator | TechPowerUp
    And this one: Download Ryzen Timing Checker | TechPowerUp for all details about RAM setup at present.

    About BIOS, latest version is 2024 PRIME X370-PRO BIOS & FIRMWARE | Motherboards | ASUS USA
    which is said to give better memory compatibility.
    Most DDR4 need at least 1.35v for speeds above 2133 - 2400MHz, some times even more for stability. Also may want to set SOC voltage to 1.1v or very slightly higher, that helps stability.
    Memory wise, also look and change Gear down mode and Power Down Enable settings which can also affect RAM stability.
    Hello Mike. Thank you so much. That is a lot of very useful information. I didn't know there was a new BIOS update released! That is nice to know :)

    The processor is ryzen 2600X and is known to perform best with auto boost. It usually maxes out at 4.2 which is great.

    As for the BSOD, it seems to have been fixed by doing a clean install of the graphics drivers thanks to help from essenbe! :)

    Yesterday I disabled all ram OC and have been running all day with default MB settings (2133MHZ) and the system has been stable! Everything smooth and even rendering a video right now.

    So I believe the issues were happening because of the ram set to 3133MHZ. I really want to try 2933MHZ. That might work!

    It's interesting that you mention the x470 MB having better stability with ram. I wish I had known that when I went shopping! MMMHH....

    In my bios there is something called d.o.c.p (equivalent to XMP profile) for ram timings. It does a good job at accurately showing the speed of my ram (3200 14-14-14-35). However when I built the computer and tried this ram profile it failed stress testing. A bummer! I then used calculator and input my own timings, and found a stable ram speed with 3133 14-14-14-28.

    So I think (like you said) the MB doesn't like anything higher than 2933MHZ. Maybe that has been the issue all along!

    Do you think I can load the d.o.c.p settings and just turn down the speed 3200MHZ -> 2933MHZ with the custom ram timings or should I do it manually with the ram calculator?

    Regarding the ram calculator: Which preset would you recommend between (safe, fast and extreme)?

    Gear down mode and Power Down is DISABLED in safe preset and ENABLED in fast preset.
    DRAM voltage is 1.330 in safe and 1.350 in fast
    It seems like fast would be more stable according to what you said.

    I guess I just have to test test test. I am gonna update the bios tomorrow and give it a go. Thank you again for the help
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       #36

    Kos277, glad to hear you are stable. Keep us posted on how things go for you.
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       #37

    essenbe said:
    Kos12, glad to hear you are stable. Keep us posted on how things go for you.
    Will do! You've been such a good help. So far it's been a quick fix to get a stable system again. It must have been the ram causing issues and lack of clean GPU driver install I'll post back how it goes and continue testing stability.
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       #38

    kos277 said:
    Hello Mike. Thank you so much. That is a lot of very useful information. I didn't know there was a new BIOS update released! That is nice to know :)

    The processor is ryzen 2600X and is known to perform best with auto boost. It usually maxes out at 4.2 which is great.

    As for the BSOD, it seems to have been fixed by doing a clean install of the graphics drivers thanks to help from essenbe! :)

    Yesterday I disabled all ram OC and have been running all day with default MB settings (2133MHZ) and the system has been stable! Everything smooth and even rendering a video right now.

    So I believe the issues were happening because of the ram set to 3133MHZ. I really want to try 2933MHZ. That might work!

    It's interesting that you mention the x470 MB having better stability with ram. I wish I had known that when I went shopping! MMMHH....

    In my bios there is something called d.o.c.p (equivalent to XMP profile) for ram timings. It does a good job at accurately showing the speed of my ram (3200 14-14-14-35). However when I built the computer and tried this ram profile it failed stress testing. A bummer! I then used calculator and input my own timings, and found a stable ram speed with 3133 14-14-14-28.

    So I think (like you said) the MB doesn't like anything higher than 2933MHZ. Maybe that has been the issue all along!

    Do you think I can load the d.o.c.p settings and just turn down the speed 3200MHZ -> 2933MHZ with the custom ram timings or should I do it manually with the ram calculator?

    Regarding the ram calculator: Which preset would you recommend between (safe, fast and extreme)?

    Gear down mode and Power Down is DISABLED in safe preset and ENABLED in fast preset.
    DRAM voltage is 1.330 in safe and 1.350 in fast
    It seems like fast would be more stable according to what you said.

    I guess I just have to test test test. I am gonna update the bios tomorrow and give it a go. Thank you again for the help
    That darn "Silicone lottery", it just wouldn't let us have same settings for apparently same systems and parts, tha's specially annoying when trying for peak performance, have to try everything yourself, test, test and test again.
    DOCP is indeed AMD's "talk" for XMP but is not following it exactly because XMP was Intel's invention and IMC (Internal (in the CPU) Memory Controller) are not same for obvious reasons. Some memory manufacturers have recognized that and released RAM with closer compliance to DOCP, have an "X" extension at end of part number. MBs with x450/470 chipsets also have some adjustments to memory handling of which second gen Ryzen has advantage.
    It's also unfortunate that XMP doesn't provide all the information about memory OC, a lot is left to be adjusted manually even in Intel systems. Ryzen chips and their IMC have different settings than what same memory would have with those non-XMP settings and AMD also has "AGESA code" built in that also influence memory and CPU cache settings but that also is not same with all chipsets. Ages for that chipset (and x470) is AGESA 1002a (Promontory) which came out with v4008 BIOS. In 4011 they added SMU 43.18 which is a patch for some very rare and still not exploited vulnerability and I found out that it hinders overall performance so I would suggest (if you don't mind some small vulnerability risk) to go back to BIOS 4008 and than update to 4024. You can't go back much further in BUOS version anyway because of gen2 Ryzen but for future take not that once AGESA code changes you can't go back in BIOS version in normal but only in very convoluted way. New AGESA code is expected very soon so we have to expect new BIOS too. That's because AMD is expected to release newer CPUs in first part of next year. (7nM technology). Also found out that lower timings help more with overall speed than frequency itself. When I had Kingston 3200MHz memory (Hynix m-die) with x370 and R7 1700x, i got better scores with with 2933MHz and Cl12 than at 3200NHz and Cl 16.
    These were my settings with x370 and 1700x:
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  9. Posts : 12,791
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       #39

    We haven't heard back from you in a week or so. I assume your problem is solved. At east I think so. Let us know how it is going and if you have any more problems, just post back here. Good luck.
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       #40

    essenbe said:
    We haven't heard back from you in a week or so. I assume your problem is solved. At east I think so. Let us know how it is going and if you have any more problems, just post back here. Good luck.
    The issues were for the most fixed with a stable ram speed at 2933. I was having issue with a game I play everyday so yesterday I did a clean install of windows. It didnt fix the issue with game, but i think it might be an issue with the game it self. I get lag spikes, but i think other games are fine.

    Computer seems fine besides the lagspike ingame.
    One other thing is sometimes steam notification sound is crackling. I updated audio drivers to realtek high definition but it didnt fix it. Any ideas if theres something up with my hardware?
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