Windows 10: MS just did it: kissing Internet Explorer goodbye

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  1.    04 Mar 2017 #1

    MS just did it: kissing Internet Explorer goodbye


    I don't know exactly what MS did to Internet Explorer - and probably it wasn't just a single change but several small changes - but in the last month it became more and more tedious to browse the web using Internet Explorer.
    Again and again I just got a "This webpage cannot be displayed" result only to witness that the very same pages always rendered perfectly fine using Google Chrome or Firefox. If MS worsened the user experience with IE in order to "push" me towards Edge: they failed. Whenever I tried Edge I gave up after at most 10 clicks. This thing simply isn't there, yet!

    After I just had filled a complicated Webform and - after pressing ''Next" to continue to the next process step - was again sent to "Cannot be displayed"-land this was once too often! Good bye IE! I liked you a lot, but enough is enough!

    I just defined Chrome as my new default browser...
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  2.    04 Mar 2017 #2

    mmo said: View Post
    Whenever I tried Edge I gave up after at most 10 clicks. This thing simply isn't there, yet!
    I don't understand this comment. There is very little that Edge can't do that IE can do, other than ActiveX, which neither Chrome of FF can do either (and for good reason). IE is only there for backwards compatibility with ActiveX.

    Can you explain, exactly, what is so bad about Edge that makes it unusable to you? The "10 clicks" bit seems like you're not really giving it a chance to overcome your muscle memory, much like many people complained about how horrible the start menu is, after never using it and always going to Classic menu and such.

    FYI, I've had similar problems in previous builds with Edge (sites not being found, that Chrome has no problem with). That's the nature of using insider builds, sometimes they are broken. Those problems went away in the last few builds. I also suspect they would have gone away if i'd done a clean install as well (I think there was something gummed up, that incremental upgrades was not fixing).
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  3. Posts : 4,623
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       04 Mar 2017 #3

    The main reason I still use IE is for many Microsoft pages that keep throwing errors in Edge but not in IE. I'm sure that is slowly changing to make them compatible with Edge.
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  4.    05 Mar 2017 #4

    Berton said: View Post
    The main reason I still use IE is for many Microsoft pages that keep throwing errors in Edge but not in IE. I'm sure that is slowly changing to make them compatible with Edge.
    What errors? When Edge was new, there were a lot of sites that thought Edge was IE, and therefore sent it incompatible HTML optimized for IE. In fact, TenForums was one of those sites (the editor had various problems with Edge). This was the fault of the sites, not Edge in most cases.

    I haven't seen these kinds of problems in a long time though. Other than ActiveX, what errors are you talking about?
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       05 Mar 2017 #5

    Mystere said: View Post
    In fact, TenForums was one of those sites (the editor had various problems with Edge). This was the fault of the sites, not Edge in most cases.
    That's not the case, Edge has it's problems all on it's own an it's not due to being sent IE code as you can't because it doesn't recognize IE compatibility headers.
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  6.    05 Mar 2017 #6

    z3r010 said: View Post
    That's not the case, Edge has it's problems all on it's own an it's not due to being sent IE code as you can't because it doesn't recognize IE compatibility headers.
    There are basically two ways to optimize a site for a specific browser. One is on the client-side, using compatibility comments or headers (or javascript), the other is called "browser sniffing" which is when the site itself figures out what browser it is, and sends specific code for that browser, which is server-side.

    Despite the fact that browser sniffing has been frowned upon for years, lots of sites still do it. And this is where the majority of the problems occur when a new browser version comes out.

    For instance, some web frameworks keep a database of browser agent strings, so they can determine the downlevel compatibility, and they literally render HTML different based on these strings.
    Last edited by Mystere; 05 Mar 2017 at 15:29.
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  7. Posts : 2,627
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       05 Mar 2017 #7

    I for one have never had any trouble with Edge from the first day it appeared and it installed.
    IE11 always had trouble with that and never had to 10 clicks so the OP must be doing something wrong.
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  •    05 Mar 2017 #8

    I find all browser to suck.....

    Tried them all and I have the same problem with every dam one of them.......find myself sitting in front of the dam things reading all dam day when I could be doing something important.......like watching TV.......
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  •    06 Mar 2017 #9

    Mystere said: View Post
    ...There is very little that Edge can't do that IE can do, other than ActiveX, which neither Chrome of FF can do either (and for good reason). ...
    Well - I ran into LOTS of issue that I am simply unwilling to be burdened with:
    • It can't handle the IE plugins. I know - for a good reason - but that decreased its usefulness for me dramatically. E.g. due to that I can not run Flash, I can not run my BookMark sync tool (XMarks), I can not run Java, I can not run my proxy-switcher (I very often have to deal with different proxies), etc. etc.
    • As I had to learn (I am occasionally creating webpages and then run the webserver either locally or in a VM on my development system) for some odd reason it can not connect to "local" HTTP servers, i.e. if I direct it to some URLs like http://localhost:8080 (local web server) or http://192.168.123.10:8080 ("local" VM running a webserver) such, then it can't handle that. I googled around on this and I am not the only one observing this.


    In short: the browser as such may be OK and better adhere to web standards, and what not but it's eco-system isn't there (yet). So, to contradict your statement: there is *quite a lot* that Edge cannot do that IE can!
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  •    07 Mar 2017 #10

    Hi there

    trouble with ALL browsers is that they rely on the TARGET / 3rd party sites to be able to supply code for all possible scenarios --obviously not possible so there has to be a compromise.

    For example if you use SKY GO then you will need IE11 because it needs Silverlight for some sort of DRM -- not saying good or bad but just the way it is. Some Banks won't recognize "Non standard Browsers" such as Opera / Pale moon etc also.

    So choosing a browser means not only security but also what you want to do when you've logged on to the appropriate website.

    As far as speed etc is concerned = there's so many variables like your own ISP internet service quality (Internet speed) , load on the remote website etc etc that speed comparisons between browsers are essentially 100% meaningless in any case.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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