Windows 10: Windows Mail

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  1.    19 Oct 2017 #101

    Endeavor,
    Thanks for your reply & all your past help in my keeping WinMail going until this Build 1709 came out & broke it for good. My tower has Win 10 Pro Build 1703 on it which I've got Updates Delayed. However, my laptop has Win 10 Home (reverted back to Build 1703 with WinMail re-instated) and set as a metered connection but on next Restart 1709 will get installed again, sigh. Yes, I've had to re-instate WinMail many times since installing Win 10 however to me it's been worth the trouble & only wish I could continue doing that. . I'd had to re-instate WinMail so many times, I'd got to where I no longer needed to use the tuts. But looks like no way now after 1709.
    Again, thanks for your past help........................Bill
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  2. Posts : 74
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       19 Oct 2017 #102

    Your Welcome Bill, and because of your post it prompted me to update the main WinMail tutorial to reflect the information I gave you. I've just now updated the tutorial Here.

    With 1607, in Services, having the Windows Update service set Disabled, etc, it does not auto update anything ever

    ...have a great day!
    Last edited by endeavor; 01 Jun 2018 at 07:28.
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  3.    19 Oct 2017 #103

    Endeavor, since I've rolled back to 1703 from 1709, would it be possible on my Win 10 Pro & Home PCs to roll back to Build 1607 (understanding I'd have to re-instate WinMail & disabling Updates in Servicing) by clicking on the 1607 link in your tut or do it as I did for 1709 to 1703 from within Win 10? I to don't need anything in 1703.
    Thanks again...............Bill
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  4. Posts : 74
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       19 Oct 2017 #104

    Well you know me being a big proponent of partition imaging. Creating a partition image before each version change or major update, and save the OS versions backups for years and so can go back to any point in time. I never use the rollbacks, don't like the baggage and file size of Windows.old folders, etc, and prefer to restore the partition image itself. Anyway sorry for digressing, but I take it you don't use imaging software, and so with what you did, I think, you can only go back one version; I've forgotten so would have to research a little but I'll let you do that instead. Also minor things maybe but your Home versions have some limitations over your Pro version, for the active user.

    It may just be easier for you just to stay with 1703 if you can't, no problem, and I wouldn't blame you if you don't want to bother with the time/hassle with a fresh install ..but of course much better to do a fresh install but then again if you have yours built up with lots of things installed, then it's a p.i.t.a. to have to reinstall it all again I know.

    Just stay with 1703 if you prefer then.

    That's why partition imaging is so darn excellent, fast, accurate, and easy, with unlimited possibilities at your fingertips to go back in time as far as you want, in just minutes, to as far back as you had saved backups.
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  5.    29 Oct 2017 #105

    Endeavor, sorry slow getting back to you, been fighting flu bug all week. Anyway, I had a bad experience with partitioning a few years ago thus got it resolved with new PC with Windows 7 subsequently upgraded to 10. My tower PC has Windows 10 Pro Build 1703. I've deferred updates for 365 days.
    Might there be an easy way you can talk me through a partition on it (has 1 TB Hard Drive) so that I can put Build 1607 with WinMail on it for strictly email and let 1703/1709 got their merry way on C: ? I suffered a stroke 22 years ago so getting my head to wrap around some things is hard. I've been working with PCs since 85 when they had no hard drives. Had the 1st PC in an office at a nuclear power plant which eventually led me to setting up a LAN all the way through Windows 3.1.
    Well, enough of that. You know by now my passion for WinMail so any help if any, would be much appreciated. If you think this is beyond my abilities, I understand. BTW, I have Office 2016 with Outlook on my tower PC. My laptop is to old to think of partitioning & slow & it's Windows Home rolled to the allotted 1 time to 1703 but next restart will install 1709 thus I'll lose WinMail forever on it. Again, thanks for your insight, comments, and past & present help.......................Bill
    PS: Have a Blessed day.
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  6. Posts : 74
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       29 Oct 2017 #106

    I wasn't expecting a reply though, I thought you were to stay with what you have

    I remember well your personal story which you had talked about on the Eight forums; I remember.

    I wasn't talking about creating partitions per-se, but was talking about using imaging software that copies/restores the OS partition you have creating a foolproof backup. Honestly Bill you should just stay with what you are comfortable with doing on computers.
    For your computer data safety, what I would do if I were you, is to learn the techniques and softwares at first by not doing it on, or touch your main HD at all. With power off 'unplug' your main HD completely, and then plug in a separate testing HD in its place to do a fresh install of OS's, whatever, etc, and learn Imaging and/or Partitioning softwares on that.
    For instance, inexpensively you can buy any 2 TB drive (random link here) (or use an SSD) ..but is what I did many years ago when I first started out learning how to use imaging and partitioning softwares.

    Anyway, for you, at the end of an afternoon when you are done playing/testing on your test HD practicing installing your 1607 or whatever OS you want on it, or whatever softwares, then when done with play, simply shut down, remove your test drive, and plug your main current HD back in and will be untouched and good to go, with no worries about messing up what you have working. Better yet, if you really want to learn/play with complete safeness, then get yourself an identical tower just for tech learning, without the need to ever touch your main tower. These ways are foolproof in that you never compromise your main HD setups. Later when you are more proficient with the art, then you can more boldly combine HD's, etc, etc, etc... It took me my lifetime to learn what I know now, but LoL, I consider myself still a newbie make no mistake! Yes I may have my ability in niches, just like everyone else, but still consider myself a good newbie

    You are the only one who can decide what you are comfortable with.
    Last edited by endeavor; 01 Jun 2018 at 07:33.
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  7.    19 Nov 2017 #107

    I too struggled with the loss of Windows Mail after Windows Update killed any chance of it being re-instated. I needed something that looked & functioned like Windows Mail with the ability to have 'Local Folders' & therefore a hard copy of some emails kept on my hard drive. After extensive searching & testing i can now recommend Mozilla Thunderbird as a suitable replacement. You can of course, stick with Win 10 1703 but is it a good idea to have an out of date operating system? I think not.

    Check it out & let me know what you think.......
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  8.    19 Nov 2017 #108

    enigma101 said: View Post
    Mozilla Thunderbird as a suitable replacement. You can of course, stick with Win 10 1703 but is it a good idea to have an out of date operating system? I think not.
    +1.
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  9.    19 Nov 2017 #109

    I found an email client OE Classic which is free for 2 accounts, $24.99 unlimited. Anyway, OE Classic is much like Windows Mail predecessor Out Express. Only problem I see with it is you can't use Outlook Express' Address Book (*.wab) or Windows Mail Contact List . But I did have to use comma separated values (*.csv) to setup an Address Book in OE Classic. I did import my accounts (*.IAF) & my Windows Mail email (*.eml) into OE Classic and it is so much like the old Outlook Express we had in Windows XP which became Windows Mail in Windows Vista. Be nice if we could have Windows Mail again.
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  10.    19 Nov 2017 #110

    Billg226 said: View Post
    I found an email client OE Classic which is free for 2 accounts, $24.99 unlimited. Anyway, OE Classic is much like Windows Mail predecessor Out Express. Only problem I see with it is you can't use Outlook Express' Address Book (*.wab) or Windows Mail Contact List . But I did have to use comma separated values (*.csv) to setup an Address Book in OE Classic. I did import my accounts (*.IAF) & my Windows Mail email (*.eml) into OE Classic and it is so much like the old Outlook Express we had in Windows XP which became Windows Mail in Windows Vista. Be nice if we could have Windows Mail again.
    I did try OE Classic, but the problem is, as you said the free version only let's you use 2 email accounts (i have 5) and many people have more accounts than this. Thunderbird is free, you can use any number of accounts AND it is visually very similar to Windows Mail.
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