When will IE and Edge go away?

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  1.    20 Apr 2018 #1

    When will IE and Edge go away?


    I got a batch of Windows 10 updates this week.
    Many (most?) were described as fixes for IE and Edge.

    That got me thinking ...
    Does anyone still use those ?
    When will they finally go away (and thereby obviate the need for their updates) ?
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       20 Apr 2018 #2

    margrave55 said: View Post
    I got a batch of Windows 10 updates this week.
    Many (most?) were described as fixes for IE and Edge.

    That got me thinking ...
    Does anyone still use those ?
    When will they finally go away (and thereby obviate the need for their updates) ?
    Hi there
    for some silly things that still use Ms Silverlight you will need IE for example running SKY GO which currently only works on IE11.

    SKY could easily implement its DRM stuff like other people do with standard software rather than Silverlight which I don't think anybody else on the entire planet uses any more.

    It should be possible for sky developers as SKY GO runs easily (and legally) on Android phones and tablets so they must have implemented another form of DRM protection for their content.

    At least for now Windows users have to use IE if they want to run SKY GO on their computers.

    Sky Go via Edge - Microsoft Community

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3.    20 Apr 2018 #3

    If I understand you correctly, IE is needed for certain legacy applications. Silverlight requires it, so any app built on Silverlight will require IE.

    But this will all go away, right? Flash is legacy. Silverlight is legacy. New apps ought not be built with those tools, and they'll fade away.

    For my part, I never use IE, nor Edge. Silverlight isn't even installed. I think Flash is here, but I think it's not being used.

    My thinking is that these legacy components ought to be put out to pasture, much as was the horse-and-buggy a century ago.
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       20 Apr 2018 #4

    margrave55 said: View Post
    If I understand you correctly, IE is needed for certain legacy applications. Silverlight requires it, so any app built on Silverlight will require IE...
    ...My thinking is that these legacy components ought to be put out to pasture, much as was the horse-and-buggy a century ago.
    DirectX is another legacy function that only IE supports. It is extensively used on Enterprise Intranets. Microsoft don't want force their Enterprise customers to re-write all their Intranet applications (at great expense) so IE will be here for some time to come.
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       20 Apr 2018 #5

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Hi there
    for some silly things that still use Ms Silverlight you will need IE for example running SKY GO which currently only works on IE11.



    Cheers
    jimbo
    The New sky player is a stand alone player and only uses the default browser to open the sky webpage, I only use for Sports programming so not sure of other programming. This change came into use several months ago

    Virgin Media used to use Flash but their latest player is now HTML5,I think, but anyway is browser Independent
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       20 Apr 2018 #6

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Hi there
    for some silly things that still use Ms Silverlight you will need IE for example running SKY GO which currently only works on IE11.



    Cheers
    jimbo
    The New sky player is a stand alone player and only uses the default browser to open the sky webpage, I only use for Sports programming so not sure of other programming. This change came into use several months ago

    Virgin Media used to use Flash but their latest player is now HTML5,I think, but anyway is browser Independent

    Oh and to answer the original question as Edge is Microsoft's latest Blue Eyed Child (from Hell?) --- It ain't going nowhere
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       21 Apr 2018 #7

    Hi there
    @Barman58

    Sky Go on Windows still requires Silverlight so if you are watching SKY GO on a Windows device you still need IE11.


    It works fine on Android devices so as I've said before there must be people in SKY who can handle DRM via HTML5,

    So far though you still have to use IE11 to watch SKY GO on a Windows machine.

    I think a problem is SKY still have to support a load of legacy subscribers -- people like NETFLIX came straight in via streaming so were able to use new technology such as HTML5 from "The Off".

    This is always a problem -- the "New Kids on the block" don't have zillions of legacy subscribers to support.

    That said I only use SKY GO these days for the sport channels I love English PL football (refuse to call it Soccer !!) and the various forms of Rugby (League and Union) . -- I'm sure if SKY gave me an option to get these via Internet only without having to get a SKY subscription they could make a whole slew of money -- but sometimes people have so much money -- are they bothered at making any more !!!.

    Incidentally -- not sure if this will ever appear on SKY SPORTS bit there is actually an Icelandic Cricket federation who hope one day to appear in a Cricket world cup --imagine then if Iceland CC were to beat England at Lords !!!!!!.

    No It's not Apr 1 !!!!

    Batting Up A Storm: Icelands Cricket Scene - The Reykjavik Grapevine

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       21 Apr 2018 #8

    What? Now when Edge finally is working decently well people want to get rid of it? Sure there are a few quirk that annoys me, but overall it's a decent browser.

    I used to dislike Edge, but it's getting better and better and right now I rarely use any other browser. I even use Edge Beta on my Android devices. :)
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       21 Apr 2018 #9

    @jimbo45

    Sky Sports Player is an independent Windows Application, Sky Sports.exe, It still opens the Sky sports page for entering credentials and selecting content to watch, in your default browser - but it then runs stand alone to actually serve the video content .

    http://partner.help.sky.com/


    As i source my content through Virgin Media It's only the sky sports channels I get through the sky app, am not sure if the general content has switched yet but sports did so

    This is of course the UK market other markets could still be using outdated trechnologies
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       22 Apr 2018 #10

    Hi folks

    SKY GO is for the general SKY stuff you can watch on a device -- including SKY SPORTS. The stand alone sport application is fine also - so hopefully SKY will use similar DRM technology to NETFLIX etc (HTML5 I think or similar).

    Edge I tend to dislike as I still don't like applications without Menus - decent Apps IMO allow you to hide menus if you so wish.

    When I'm working on 3 or 4 large monitors I neither need nor want applications to look like they have been designed for running on a 13 cm mobile phone screen !!

    Firefox is fine for me still. That's the one I tend to use most of the time.

    Cheers
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