Windows 10: Is this for real?? Solved

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  1. Posts : 5,809
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       1 Week Ago #21

    Kari said: View Post
    Even here on Ten Forums we have our share of members who repeatedly post completely false information as facts without any reference to sources. I detest this "it does not have to be true to be posted as a fact" mentality, people thinking they are so important that if they believe something it must be a fact.

    The post on Macrium forums you linked to is a typical example of this. I can almost see how the thought process of that OP goes: "I think it's like this, therefore it must be a fact. Who cares about evidence, my word must be enough to convince others that I know what I am talking about".

    Total carbage, b***s***.




    Your statement is not completely true. It is not a fact that Office and Outlook are now accessed by annual payment. Your comment indicates that it is the only option.

    It's a choice users can make, buy a one time life long license for specific version of Office without upgrade option (Office 2016 at the moment), or buy a monthly or annual subscription which includes all future upgrades to always have latest version (Office 365).

    Whats the difference between Office 365 and Office 2016?

    Kari
    I sent a Message to Macrium About this guy and for their take on it. His qualifications seem legit but that means nada.
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  2.    1 Week Ago #22

    xXWhackerXx said: View Post
    EXTREME over pricing ALONE drive piracy. i forget about the office 365 model, cause it's way too intrusive for my taste. but yes there is a yearly version.
    I prefer the lease model. It is only marginally more expensive to get a 5 user licence EACH with 1 TB of onedrive space.

    Overall, package is great value.
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       1 Week Ago #23

    Kari said: View Post
    Even here on Ten Forums we have our share of members who repeatedly post completely false information as facts without any reference to sources. I detest this "it does not have to be true to be posted as a fact" mentality, people thinking they are so important that if they believe something it must be a fact.

    The post on Macrium forums you linked to is a typical example of this. I can almost see how the thought process of that OP goes: "I think it's like this, therefore it must be a fact. Who cares about evidence, my word must be enough to convince others that I know what I am talking about".

    Total carbage, b***s***.




    Your statement is not completely true. It is not a fact that Office and Outlook are now accessed by annual payment. Your comment indicates that it is the only option.

    It's a choice users can make, buy a one time life long license for specific version of Office without upgrade option (Office 2016 at the moment), or buy a monthly or annual subscription which includes all future upgrades to always have latest version (Office 365).

    Whats the difference between Office 365 and Office 2016?

    Kari
    Well I stand to be corrected then because I thought that one had to pay for the full Outlook as I use the free version and am always being asked if I want to upgrade and if that doesn't mean money then please tell me what it does mean - because I don't believe in free lunches and as for the Office well I have copies of 2007 and 2010 that I cannot use because after having a few clean installs and having to put Office back on I am refused to do so because I have used it too many times already - is that what you think is fair because I damn well don't all I wanted was to use it to do simple letters and documents and very infrequently at that. It really didn't matter to me if it wasn't supported anymore and heck what is it to Microsoft except that they would lose money from me having to shell out more money for the current version/s of Office.

    I posted what I thought was a possibility and as usual have got slammed for doing so I didn't need the comments that were made about my post being in part quite rude.
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  4.    1 Week Ago #24

    ICIT2LOL said: View Post
    Well I stand to be corrected then because I thought that one had to pay for the full Outlook as I use the free version and am always being asked if I want to upgrade and if that doesn't mean money then please tell me what it does mean - because I don't believe in free lunches and as for the Office well I have copies of 2007 and 2010 that I cannot use because after having a few clean installs and having to put Office back on I am refused to do so because I have used it too many times already - is that what you think is fair because I damn well don't all I wanted was to use it to do simple letters and documents and very infrequently at that. It really didn't matter to me if it wasn't supported anymore and heck what is it to Microsoft except that they would lose money from me having to shell out more money for the current version/s of Office.

    I posted what I thought was a possibility and as usual have got slammed for doing so I didn't need the comments that were made about my post being in part quite rude.
    Hi there
    @ICIT2LOL

    Take a breath and count up to 10 .

    You've got a bit confused here.

    Paying money does not mean that it has to be a subscription model only. Pretty well all commercial software has to be paid for and people don't usually complain - if the price is too high they look for something else or acquire stuff by "other means".

    For some a subscription / lease model is fine - for others it's an abomination. Depends on the economics and the attitude of the purchaser.

    Suffice to say getting back to the original point of the O.P : -- Currently there is NOTHING coming out of Ms to suggest that Windows will become a subscription only model for ALL users (Enterprise has been subscription for years but that's another issue). Ms MAY decide to introduce alternative licencing -- for example I'm quite sure a load of people on these Forums would like to see some form of limited multi-use licence for Home / Small business users - especially useful also if testing software on a load of VM's etc.

    As far as OFFICE 2007 / 2010 is concerned you should be able to explain on the activation phone line that you've upgraded computers or whatever and I'm sure they will guide you through the process to re-activate them.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5.    1 Week Ago #25

    ICIT2LOL said: View Post
    I was playing around with another OS (Linux Mint) and Googled something to do with cloning with Macrium
    just FYI
    If you are interested in cloning/backup/restore in mint, the next release will have its own backup and restore tools (not to mean you can not use what is already there like rsync/grsync dd):

    "Timeshift is an excellent tool which focuses on creating and restoring system snapshots. Its a great companion to mintBackup which focuses on personal data.
    The two applications will be installed by default and complement each others in Linux Mint 18.3."

    source: The Linux Mint Blog: Monthly News September 2017

    Have a nice day
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  6.    1 Week Ago #26

    cereberus said: View Post
    I prefer the lease model. It is only marginally more expensive to get a 5 user licence EACH with 1 TB of onedrive space.

    Overall, package is great value.
    actually either model is over priced. microsoft IS one of most overpriced software companies out that and gas been for a VERY long time.
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  7. Posts : 12,971
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       1 Week Ago #27

    xXWhackerXx said: View Post
    actually either model is over priced. microsoft IS one of most overpriced software companies out that and gas been for a VERY long time.
    That simply is not true.

    You'll get Windows 10 pre-installed when you buy a new computer, or you can buy it for your own build with $100. Compare that to games costing $40, $60 or even more; you'll get a full operating system with a price of two games.

    Full Office 365 Personal suite can be subscribed with less than $6 a month ($69.99 a year), with less than $8.40 a month you can get Office 365 Home for five users ($99.99 a year). Each user gets 1 TB OneDrive storage, full set of Office desktop applications, free upgrades, one hour free monthly phone calls to any landline number in the whole world (mobile numbers in selected countries), and so on.

    That's dirt cheap.


    Kari
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  8. Posts : 5,809
    64-bit Windows 10 Pro
       1 Week Ago #28

    That post from The MR Forum is all BS. The OP's Opinion and nothing more. As @Kari pointed out, he has no sources and his post has no merit what so ever. Do not believe it.
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  9.    1 Week Ago #29

    Kari said: View Post
    That simply is not true.

    You'll get Windows 10 pre-installed when you buy a new computer, or you can buy it for your own build with $100. Compare that to games costing $40, $60 or even more; you'll get a full operating system with a price of two games.

    Full Office 365 Personal suite can be subscribed with less than $6 a month ($69.99 a year), with less than $8.40 a month you can get Office 365 Home for five users ($99.99 a year). Each user gets 1 TB OneDrive storage, full set of Office desktop applications, free upgrades, one hour free monthly phone calls to any landline number in the whole world (mobile numbers in selected countries), and so on.

    That's dirt cheap.


    Kari
    to b e honest i stopped looking at their pricing years ago when office was over 200 for the standalone. i got a discounted copy from a store going out of business. glad to see that it looks like microsoft was forced to lower their prices.
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  10.    1 Week Ago #30

    xXWhackerXx said: View Post
    to b e honest i stopped looking at their pricing years ago when office was over 200 for the standalone. i got a discounted copy from a store going out of business. glad to see that it looks like microsoft was forced to lower their prices.
    They have not lowered prices directly but the market is much bigger than 20 years ago, and allowing for inflation, prices are much cheaper. Your argument is like keeping an old car as a runaround to local shops. Sure it will be ok, but take it on along journey at high speed.....

    If a 20yr old version suits your needs, fine but do not compare oranges and bananas.

    The MS lease deal is good value to keep up to five users on latest version and a lot of cloud space. Hell most cloud services would cost more for 5TB (or even 1TB) without any software included.
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