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  1.    26 Sep 2017 #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    No it is not. Windows will not boot from an external drive.
    I'm aware of that.
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  2.    26 Sep 2017 #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    I'm honestly not sure if you are taking the piss. Let us assume not.
    I don't know what that means...

    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    No. If either my PC or Mac had a drive failure I would buy a new disk and then restore the last backup I had from my backup image.
    How would you "restore" it onto a new drive?

    And, why would you do that?

    If you had a clone, why not pop that in and boot from that?

    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    If you make an image or a clone of a disk you can always restore individual files on either platform. It doesn't matter what software or hardware you use - you always can.
    Okay.
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  3.    26 Sep 2017 #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny View Post
    I don't know what that means....
    "Taking the piss" is a phrasal verb in English meaning to joke with someone. The assumption being that the other person is not aware and is therefore seen as slightly stupid. It isn't especially rude - more like a joke

    I thought you assumed I was an idiot. Never mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny View Post
    I don't know what that means....
    OK I'll try.

    When you start your computer it will look for something to do. As you have a Mac we'll start from there.

    What it will do is (after checking the RAM works OK and so on during the POST step) have a look in the NVRAM (which is a chip in your mac). It will say "ah-ha" I remember lets try running <Whatever>. NVRAM just means a chip that doesn't forget.

    Before you get to the OS the firmware will try to run something. This will be something that is defined by the EFI standards and exists in a partition with a certain type code (7).

    If that volume exists it will look for a directory called EFI. After that it gets a bit boring but eventually it will find a EFI program called a bootmanager. What bootmanager it picks by default is not clear (it depends on the manufacturer) but the last one it ran will be stored in the NVRAM.

    The boot manager will generally try internal, external, USB, DVD, SD, even your phone if it is connected.

    MacOS will include any drives it can find and boot them. You can boot MacOS off your TV if you want if the wire is connected. The MacOS loader is a it finichity about running anything apart from MacOS or Windows on a Bootcamp partition. It is quite happy with Linux though.

    Windows will say "Is this drive I'm running on internal?" It will then say no. It will only boot internal drives.

    If you use a different boot loader then you can boot whatever OS from whatever storage you want. That would be my recommendation and my recommendation would be to use rEFInd.
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  4.    26 Sep 2017 #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    "Taking the piss" is a phrasal verb in English meaning to joke with someone. The assumption being that the other person is not aware and is therefore seen as slightly stupid. It isn't especially rude - more like a joke
    I thought you assumed I was an idiot. Never mind.
    I had to read up on that expression on Wikipedia.

    Not sure where you got that idea, but no, I wasn't making fun of you.

    Also not sure what prompted the lesson on booting, but thanks anyways!

    Yes, I understood you that on a PC, Windows expects an internal drive when booting.

    Got it.

    BTW, do you speak cockney, or is your "Taking the piss" just a general UK expression?
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  5.    26 Sep 2017 #25
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    Here is a video of using Macrium Reflect Cloning feature. This uses the example of Cloning 1 hard drive to a Bigger new drive.
    This might show you some of the features of the cloning process better. Just click on the link below.

    Cloning a disk using Macrium Reflect - YouTube
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  6.    26 Sep 2017 #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny View Post
    BTW, do you speak cockney, or is your "Taking the piss" just a general UK expression?
    I think it is pretty normal around the UK. I lived in London for 10 years but I can't say for sure if it is only there.

    I never heard anyone say "gor blimey mate up the apple and pairs" or "me ma innit".
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  7.    26 Sep 2017 #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny View Post
    I had to read up on that expression on Wikipedia.

    Not sure where you got that idea, but no, I wasn't making fun of you.

    Also not sure what prompted the lesson on booting, but thanks anyways!

    Yes, I understood you that on a PC, Windows expects an internal drive when booting.

    Got it.

    BTW, do you speak cockney, or is your "Taking the piss" just a general UK expression?
    Every Brit knows meaning of 'Taking the Piss' (Extracting the Urine in polite company!)

    What is funny to Brits is when our friends across the Pond say they are pissed i.e. angry. In UK, to be pissed means to be drunk. We use term 'pissed off' to mean angry.
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  8.    26 Sep 2017 #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by cereberus View Post
    Every Brit knows meaning of 'Taking the Piss' (Extracting the Urine in polite company!)

    What is funny to Brits is when our friends across the Pond say they are pissed i.e. angry. In UK, to be pissed means to be drunk. We use term 'pissed off' to mean angry.
    Yup, you folks accross the pond talk funny...
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  9.    26 Sep 2017 #29
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    Lots of posts but when it comes down to it difference between cloning and images is simple.

    You clone a drive to make an exact copy of an existing drive eg upgrading to larger drive or ssd.

    You make images of an existing drive to a another drive, with primary intent to restore image to SAME drive that was backed up e.g. Windows has got corrupted or infected with ransomware.

    It just so happens you can restore image to a DIFFERENT drive i.e. same as cloning but a two step process involving a tertiary drive.

    Problem with cloning as a backup method is that it wipes the target drive. An image backup is simply another compressed file on a drive.
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  10.    26 Sep 2017 #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by cereberus View Post
    Every Brit knows meaning of 'Taking the Piss' (Extracting the Urine in polite company!)
    Yeah, I have never heard that one before!
    Quote Originally Posted by cereberus View Post
    What is funny to Brits is when our friends across the Pond say they are pissed i.e. angry. In UK, to be pissed means to be drunk. We use term 'pissed off' to mean angry.
    Yeah, "pissed" is just short for "pissed off" in the US.
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