1.    15 Jan 2016 #1
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    System Image and file history


    I am backing up to a new seagate 1tb external drive. I mainly want to back up file history, which is turned on, but I think it is also doing a system image back up as a default. Taken about 4 hours and using more space than files and folders etc.

    Is this a once only system image back up and future scheduled back ups will only update files and folders etc. If so can the individual folders be retrieved at a later date without doing a system restore.

    Thanks
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  2.    15 Jan 2016 #2
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    AFAIK file history doesn't make system images. It takes more space than original files because it saves history as the name implies that means older version of files, deleted files, etc.
    For file backup i recommend FreeFileSync it offers scheduling, one side/two side mirror sync, file versioning etc. be careful with installer thought it may offer some unwanted software so don't click next next without reading.
    For image backups I recommend Macrium backup free.
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  3.    15 Jan 2016 #3
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    Thanks


    That answers the space question.

    Quote Originally Posted by VBs View Post
    AFAIK file history doesn't make system images. It takes more space than original files because it saves history as the name implies that means older version of files, deleted files, etc.
    For file backup i recommend FreeFileSync it offers scheduling, one side/two side mirror sync, file versioning etc. be careful with installer thought it may offer some unwanted software so don't click next next without reading.
    For image backups I recommend Macrium backup free.
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  4.    15 Jan 2016 #4
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    Clarified.


    Thanks for that explanation.

    Still a little confused. I investigated a little further after your reply.

    I did the first back up using back up and restore ( windows 7) which appears to have created a system image as well as a file / folder history back up. It since did a scheduled back up set within this command.
    My files and folders account for only about 200gB, but the back up procedure so far, including 1 scheduled back up, has used around 560gB of the back up drive.

    It seems to me that if I leave the scheduled back up on this command (back up and restore windows 7) each scheduled save will do a full system image back up.

    I have stopped the scheduled back up in this (windows 7) mode, retained the already saved version and switched the scheduled future back ups using the file history command. I am really only interested in backing up documents and photos regularly. Is my understanding of the procedure correct?

    Forgive me if my terminology is not exact but I am not a real savvy computer person.

    Thanks in advance.


    Quote Originally Posted by FrozenCursor View Post
    The very first time it is run, File History does a full back up, hence it took so long. Subsequent runs do only incremental backups of the changes and are much quicker.

    Yes, you can do a restore of individual files and folders, even for various points in time (default setting is File History incremental backups running every hour). And yes, you can do individual restores without doing a full system restore. Although you could automatically restore all files and folders too, if you so desire.

    The File History control panel offers the option of doing a System Image Backup as well (it is in the bottom left corner of the control panel). System Image Backup only restores the entire system (including OS, apps/programs, files and folders) all at once, but does not restore individual files and folders. Belt-and-suspenders approach is to do your System Image Backup on a physically separate storage medium from File History. (So you have in total 3 physically separate storage media: internal, File History, and System Image Backup)

    You could do System Image Backups every day/week/month depending on your backup strategy. You could also include OneDrive/off-site media in your backup strategy. There are many, many backup strategies depending on your needs. It can all be done with Windows' native tools.
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  5.    15 Jan 2016 #5
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    The two types of backups serve different purposes.

    1) File History automatically runs in the background every hour (which is the default setting if you don't change it and if you don't switch it off) and the most work you can lose is thus 1 hour, as you can always restore that particular file that you are working on, from the last hour. These automatic backups are incremental and thus much, much smaller than the initial 'all files and folders' backup. You should not switch off File History, IMHO.

    2) The purpose of System Image Backup is to quickly restore an entire system (OS, apps/programs, and files and folders) as System Image Backup makes a bit-by-bit image of your internal HDD at only one point in time, i.e. at the time you run the System Image Backup utility.

    You may have done both types of backups on your external HDD.

    Edit: Windows 7 you said? File History did not exist back then, File History began with Windows 8. Check your control panels and external HDD very carefully to make sure what exactly you have done. (If indeed Windows 7, you need to ask in a Windows 7 forum. This is not to be snotty, but Windows 7 had somewhat different backup and restore utilities)
    Last edited by FrozenCursor; 15 Jan 2016 at 18:08.
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  6.    15 Jan 2016 #6
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    Thanks Again


    Got that.

    Thanks a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by FrozenCursor View Post
    The two types of backups serve different purposes.

    1) File History automatically runs in the background every hour (which is the default setting if you don't change it and if you don't switch it off) and the most work you can lose is thus 1 hour, as you can always restore that particular file that you are working on, from the last hour. These automatic backups are incremental and thus much, much smaller than the initial 'all files and folders' backup. You should not switch off File History, IMHO.

    2) The purpose of System Image Backup is to quickly restore an entire system (OS, apps/programs, and files and folders) as System Image Backup makes a bit-by-bit image of your internal HDD at only one point in time, i.e. at the time you run the System Image Backup utility.

    You may have done both types of backups on your external HDD.

    Edit: Windows 7 you said? File History did not exist back then, File History began with Windows 8. Check your control panels and external HDD very carefully to make sure what exactly you have done.
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  7.    15 Jan 2016 #7
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    If so can the individual folders be retrieved at a later date without doing a system restore.
    Just some additional.

    I know that EaseUS (free) allows for this, but you have to have EaseUS installed to view the contents. Also, you can only 'explore' drives with NTFS or Fat file systems. I think TrueImage allows the same, but it's not free.

    I have Windows Imaging scheduled to run daily. Each night It rights over the existing image with the new one, which limits the amount of space you need. If you wanted to retain one of the images, you just have to rename it, then another image will be created along side. It didn't sound as if you were too concerned about the images, but moreover the ability to retrieve some files, but I wanted to throw it out there anyhow.

    Also, I'm not sure if you can open the Windows Image and navigate it like you can with EaseUS. I played around with one of my images to see, but things started looking as if I might initiate something unintended, so I stopped. (I am curious about that myself)


    b1rd

    Edit:

    After I posted this, I was curious, so I looked at a back up image that was created by Windows. You are able to navigate to the actual image. From there you can right-click it, which offers a 'mount' option. From there I would think you might be able to explore it, however this is nothing that I have personally done.
    Last edited by b1rd; 15 Jan 2016 at 19:38. Reason: Additional
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