Windows 10: Creating System Image Backup Issues

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  1. topgundcp's Avatar
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       24 Oct 2015 #21

    I did make a video a while back using free Macrium version 5 on how to backup Windows 10. Free Macrium is now version 6. Basically, they are the same, except the GUI looks different and more features added:

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  2. topgundcp's Avatar
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       24 Oct 2015 #22

    And here's I use Macrium version 6 to resize a partition without using any other third party partition manager:
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  3.    24 Oct 2015 #23

    winPe has me confused on its purpose and if I even have the right version of it. googling winPE it talks about Vista versions, googling winPE W10 it discusses using DISM to interface with it (which I know is a W8-8.1-10 thing). Do I mount winPE (if I have the correct version) and while it is mounted run Macrium. I'm trying to figure how winPE & Macrium work together. I'm probably wrong in that thinking and think winPE is used to boot to an unbootable OS and Macrium is used to create a backup/image that winPE can boot to and recreate the OS again.
    can you clarify me on the version of winPE I have 'Rescue 5.3.7299' is this suitable for W10 or do I need to incorporate the DISM?

    On top of that going to the winPE W10 version it has a VSToolsForWin thing that wants to do a C++ download that somehow incorporates MDK that supposedly includes WinPE for W10. Needless to say am more confused than when I started. It also shows putting it on a USB after all the 8 gb downloads are done. Here's the link I'm talking about:
    WinPE: Create USB Bootable drive - Windows 10 hardware dev

    is all this necessary?
    Last edited by tazmo8448; 24 Oct 2015 at 14:30.
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  4.    24 Oct 2015 #24

    tazmo8448 said: View Post
    winPe has me confused on its purpose and if I even have the right version of it. googling winPE it talks about Vista versions, googling winPE W10 it discusses using DISM to interface with it (which I know is a W8-8.1-10 thing). Do I mount winPE (if I have the correct version) and while it is mounted run Macrium. I'm trying to figure how winPE & Macrium work together. I'm probably wrong in that thinking and think winPE is used to boot to an unbootable OS and Macrium is used to create a backup/image that winPE can boot to and recreate the OS again.
    can you clarify me on the version of winPE I have 'Rescue 5.3.7299' is this suitable for W10 or do I need to incorporate the DISM?
    WinPE is a mini version of Windows that Macrium Reflect uses as the operating system when it is booted from the rescue disc. It's easiest just to let Macrium Reflect manage everything relating to WinPE when creating a Macrium Reflect Free Rescue disk. I believe your rescue version 5.3.7299 is suitable for use with Windows 10 - but if you are going to be dealing with Windows 10 exclusively, I would update Macrium Reflect to the latest version - then create a new rescue disk or USB and specify the newest WinPE Macrium offers which is WinPE 10.0. You don't have to do anything manually (unless you want to add drivers) - Macrium Reflect handles it all when creating the rescue disc.
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  5.    24 Oct 2015 #25

    Thanks NavyLCDR. One thing I've been trying to get straight in my head is WinPE. Clicking on it it asks to be mounted or whatever. Not sure even now if it has to be mounted in order to run Macrium that hasn't been made clear to me yet. I went online and googled making a USB for WinPE W10 and it had me downloading 8GB of Visual C++ Tools that seem more geared to doing development work that anything else but thats what was listed for the WinPE Bootable USB. See no reason for downloading all that mess when I have no intention of using it. Was directed to download wdksetup.exe for drivers too when all I wanted was the adksetup in order to use the WinPE USB. Still can't understand why M$ directed me to the Microsoft Visual Studio Community 2015 deal.
    BTW I do have the version 6 Macrium Reflect.

    To tell you the truth this whole thing has turned into a long drawn out deal just to make a sys img of an existing OS. The amount of time I have spent on this would equal to just doing a reformat and starting from scratch again. I can't believe all the hoops I've jumped through just to make an image. My whole thrust on this was to be able to save all my info on the OS so as to not loose the registry files and have to download several TB's of data, games and that sort of thing.
    You don't know how much I wish we could actually converse rather than going through this typing marathon wouldn't it be great if there was a TeamSpeak for forums? Sometimes discussing things gets more across than anything else.
    The question in my mind is still how does Macrium "see" winPE does it know its there? without my mounting it? even though it is in another drive and not in my OS drive? I've got so many questions and I know I'm frustrating the people that were helping me and to tell the truth I am too.
    This is what I am watching now to create a bootable USB tool:- Demo 2: Installing Windows PE on a USB Drive - YouTube
    they refer to a 'reference computer' after making a USB. At this point I am more confused than a football bat. I know it is frustrating trying to explain something to someone who doesn't get it; it would be like me explaining golf in three easy steps or typing instructions on how to run a surveying instrument, when it is much more complicated than that. It's always easy when you know yourself what you are doing and explaining it to someone who doesn't have a clue. Good example is telling someone how to put a shirt on that has never done it. Right now I am going to figure out if I really need the 6gb Visual Tool still can't figure out why they thought I need that.
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  6.    24 Oct 2015 #26

    I don't know, takes me about four mouse clicks to make a Macrium Reflect Rescue disk and Macrium Reflect does it all. You do understand that Macrium Reflect will create the WinPE that it needs and that a rescue disk is not required to make an image?
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  7.    24 Oct 2015 #27

    Click on Other Tasks, Create Rescue Media, Click on Windows PE 10, OK, Next, Next, then it is something like what type of media do you want to make, let it download the files, and it's done.
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  8. essenbe's Avatar
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       24 Oct 2015 #28

    tazmo, I think you don't understand about the program. That video is doing everything the hard way. You can make an image of any partition with just the Macrium program. The winPE is just a recovery tool. After you have made the images, suppose your OS would not boot or your hard drive had to be replaced. You would have no OS and need a way to restore those images. That is what the winPE USB drive is for. You can boot into the USB drive and restore the images to your hard drive.

    You don't have top go through all the stuff that video showed. Just do what NavyLCDR said in the post above this one. Macrium will crate the USB drive and download what you need for you. The winPE is what seems to be confusing you. It is nothing but a recovery tool used to restore the images created with Macrium.
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  9. topgundcp's Avatar
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       24 Oct 2015 #29

    Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (Windows ADK) is a free software package provided by MS. Any body can download and use it to create a WinPE then add their own software to load into memory (RAM) to run and perform a specific task.

    There are different versions of WinPE. Each associated with different version of Windows.
    WinPE version 3. When used, boot up Windows with a boot screen similar to Windows 7.
    WinPE version 4/5 ==> Boot screen similar to Windows 8/8.1
    WinPE Version 10 ==> Boot Screen similar to Windows 10.
    Now. when you create a Rescue disk from within Macrium program. It does provide you the choice to select which version of Win PE to use depending on What version of Windows you are using then it will download the version you selected from Microsoft site and build the Rescue disk. See screen shot:
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  10.    24 Oct 2015 #30

    Hi,

    It may become clearer if you'd view WinPE as a pre OS installation tool. A mini OS version if you like.
    What Macrium is doing however is using this as what amounts to (for all intent and purpose) their version of Windows 10 WinRE (Recovery) environment.
    Which in turn is nothing more than a modded WinPE but then a la Microsoft and is what you'd see if you'd boot from a Windows Recovery drive you created or what Windows load when you boot it in recovery mode.

    Months before Macrium came out with their patches offering to use Win10's compatible WinPE for their recovery environment I (and no doubt others along with me) simply replaced the old version wim for the wim we created using WinADK for Win10 and that was that.

    That said, it would be nice if Microsoft allowed users to download basic version of WinPE, WinRE and even Boot.wim along with some clear cut instructions for users to create their own set of media.

    In the meantime (IOW, don't hold your breath) I'm willing to share what I have with anyone asking (nicely )

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