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  1. Posts : 332
    Windows 10 Home 64 bit x64 Version 22H2
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    Backup in different smaller size disk or one bigger disk?


    Hello,

    I am considering either one 6TB 3.5 hard disk or two 4TB 3.5 hard disk.

    I do macrium backup everyday, assuming I have Jan and Feb backup images now.

    1. Is there any difference if I store Jan and Feb backup into one 6TB 3.5 hard disk vs if I store Jan backup into one 4TB 3.5 hard disk and Feb backup into another one 4TB 3.5 hard disk?

    2. Will a 3.5 hard disk become faulty by itself if I did not use it for a long time (keep in cabinet)?

    3. I might buy HGST used disk, does HGST have different types like WD black, blue, red, green, purple? I am new to HGST, what HGST type is suitable for PC use?

    4. I intend to buy a used HGST 3.5 hard disk and the seller said it was used for NAS, does it mean it is continuously powered on and more likely to fail? Is it good to buy it? Here is the photo of the disk Imgur: The magic of the Internet

    5. I am trying to save money so I am thinking it is ok to buy a used disk to store backup as it is unlikely that both the disk that store data and the disk that store backup will be faulty at the same time, is it a good idea or bad idea to use used disk to store backup? I guess used disk might fail faster.

    Thanks.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I did a search on the P/N 0F26900 of the HGST disk above and found these results below, it seems like it is a NAS disk, can I use NAS disk in my PC for normal use to store data/backup?

    0F26900 - HGST Deskstar NAS 6TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 128MB Cache 3.5-Inch Hard Drive Just a moment...

    HGST HDN726060ALE614 0S04007 0F26900 6TB SATA Hard Drive For Desktop NAS Shopping

    If my understanding is correct, WD Red is also for NAS use.
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  2. Posts : 2,144
    Windows 11 Pro (latest update ... forever anal)
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    One aspect to think of ... the larger the disk, the more data can be stored. But that also means the more data can be lost if the disk goes pear-shaped

    A good alternative is 2 smaller disks with alternate backups. If one goes down, there is still every second backup on the other.

    comcom said:
    5. I am trying to save money so I am thinking it is ok to buy a used disk to store backup as it is unlikely that both the disk that store data and the disk that store backup will be faulty at the same time, is it a good idea or bad idea to use used disk to store backup? I guess used disk might fail faster.
    Lightning strike, power surge >>>> all disks gone. 2nd hand disks not a good idea anyway (no warranty)
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  3. Posts : 16,950
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
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    "1. Is there any difference if I store Jan and Feb backup into one 6TB 3.5 hard disk vs if I store Jan backup into one 4TB 3.5 hard disk and Feb backup into another one 4TB 3.5 hard disk?"

    Yes.
    By alternating between different backup disks your backup scheme is much more resilient.
    - If your 6TB disk went wrong you would lose all backups.
    - If one of your two 4TB disks went wrong, you'd still have the previous month's image to fall back on.
    I alternate my backups - this month it's backup disk #1, next month it will be #2, the month after it will be back to #1, ...

    2 - Probably not

    5 - Having alternating backups on a pair of disks is a resilient scheme whether the disks are new or used.


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  4. Posts : 5,452
    Windows 11 Home
       #4

    I will never understand people making huge backups. Why? It takes a lot of time, money and performance.
    Keep system partition small to make efficient backups. Mine (20GB) takes 2 mins to create and to restore.
    Even if you do not use a cloud sync, just keep disks in raid and backup them separately to save space.
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  5. Posts : 2,144
    Windows 11 Pro (latest update ... forever anal)
       #5

    Even better option is to backup and store your system (OS and programs) in one backup, separate from your personal data files

    create a data partition and move your personal data files to there (read up on how to chnage the location of the Desktop, Documents, Pictures, Music etc personal system folders.

    If you've got a lot of music and/or pictures and/or videos, consider separate backup for larger file collections

    Consider creating image backups for system (OS and programs) - Macrium Reflect, AOMEI Backupper - and native format for user data files (SyncbackFree)
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  6. Posts : 23,281
    Win 10 Home ♦♦♦19045.4355 (x64) [22H2]
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    @comcom


    1. Keep the "used space" on your Windows drive.... small. Less than say... 40GB
    2. Install large programs or games on a storage drive, instead of the Windows drive.
    3. Your backups will be (at default settings), about half the size of the "used space" on the Windows drive.
    4. I have TWO storage drives, and I use the free program, Karen's Replicator, to keep the data on both, the same.

    Karen's Replicator the Backup Utility for Windows v3.7.6 Released May 25, 2020 | Karen's Power Tools | Karen's Software

    Do NOT use Karen's to "backup" the Windows drive. Use proper backup software, like these...
    Macrium Reflect, AOMEI Backupper and Hasleo Backup Suite - GUIDES | Windows 11 Forum


    This is my Disk Management, for example...

    Backup in different smaller size disk or one bigger disk?-000000-disk-management-2.png


    Because I use Karen's to copy Disk 1 to Disk 2 (storage drives, both), if one storage drive fails, I still have the other.
    Karen's can be set to run on a schedule, or just run manually.
    I run Karen's manually about every other day... so there's only a few new things, to copy from Disk 1 to Disk 2.
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  7. Posts : 332
    Windows 10 Home 64 bit x64 Version 22H2
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    Ghot said:
    @comcom


    1. Keep the "used space" on your Windows drive.... small. Less than say... 40GB
    2. Install large programs or games on a storage drive, instead of the Windows drive.
    3. Your backups will be (at default settings), about half the size of the "used space" on the Windows drive.
    4. I have TWO storage drives, and I use the free program, Karen's Replicator, to keep the data on both, the same.

    Karen's Replicator the Backup Utility for Windows v3.7.6 Released May 25, 2020 | Karen's Power Tools | Karen's Software

    Do NOT use Karen's to "backup" the Windows drive. Use proper backup software, like these...
    Macrium Reflect, AOMEI Backupper and Hasleo Backup Suite - GUIDES | Windows 11 Forum


    This is my Disk Management, for example...

    Backup in different smaller size disk or one bigger disk?-000000-disk-management-2.png


    Because I use Karen's to copy Disk 1 to Disk 2 (storage drives, both), if one storage drive fails, I still have the other.
    Karen's can be set to run on a schedule, or just run manually.
    I run Karen's manually about every other day... so there's only a few new things, to copy from Disk 1 to Disk 2.
    My understanding is your Disk 2 acts as a backup for Disk 1.

    Do you still use proper backup software (e.g. Macrium Reflect) to backup your Disk 1?

    I wonder why you don't use proper backup software (e.g. Macrium Reflect) to backup Disk 1, why you prefer to use Karen's to copy Disk 1 to Disk 2?
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  8. Posts : 23,281
    Win 10 Home ♦♦♦19045.4355 (x64) [22H2]
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    comcom said:
    Do you still use Macrium Reflect to backup your Disk 1?

    My understanding is your Disk 2 acts as a backup for Disk 1.




    The only thing I use Macrium for is to backup my Windows partition and EFI partition on Disk 0.

    Disk 1 is my "working" drive. It where I save things.
    Disk 2 is just a copy of Disk 1, in case Disk 1 ever fails.

    That's what I use Karen's Replicator for. To copy any changes on Disk 1, to Disk 2.
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  9. Posts : 332
    Windows 10 Home 64 bit x64 Version 22H2
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    Ghot said:
    The only thing I use Macrium for is to backup my Windows partition and EFI partition on Disk 0.

    Disk 1 is my "working" drive. It where I save things.
    Disk 2 is just a copy of Disk 1, in case Disk 1 ever fails.

    That's what I use Karen's Replicator for. To copy any changes on Disk 1, to Disk 2.
    In Macrium Reflect v8, [Create Backups>Create Backup Tasks] I see these 3 selections
    "Image selected disks on this computer"
    "Create an image of the partition(s) required to backup and restore Windows"
    "Create a File and Folder backup"

    Does "Image selected disks on this computer" or "Create a File and Folder backup" do the same thing like Karen's Replicator?

    I wonder why you don't use proper backup software (e.g. Macrium Reflect) to backup Disk 1, why you prefer to use Karen's to copy Disk 1 to Disk 2?

    The reason I can think of is it is easier to retrieve the Disk 2 data because it does not require any software to open it, if you use proper backup software (e.g. Macrium Reflect) to backup Disk 1 you need to install Macrium Reflect on the computer first then can open the Macrium Reflect backup data.
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  10. Posts : 23,281
    Win 10 Home ♦♦♦19045.4355 (x64) [22H2]
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    comcom said:
    I wonder why you don't use proper backup software (e.g. Macrium Reflect) to backup Disk 1, why you prefer to use Karen's to copy Disk 1 to Disk 2?

    Because the entire Disk 2 ...IS my backup of Disk 1.
    Disk 1 is 4TB, and Disk 2 is 8TB. Karen's is a tiny program that uses no resources to speak of.

    And to be completely honest... Macrium's User Guide is 485 pages. MR is bloated like most other software.
    I'm from the "try and use tiny un-bloated software school", where ever I can.
    And like all other backup software these days... they tried to make MR do... everything.
    This is what I used back in the Windows XP days... Why? Because it was simple, un-bloated and made protected backups.
    If they had something like this today... I'd be using it.

    Backup in different smaller size disk or one bigger disk?-norton-ghost-2003.png




    Storage is so cheap these days, I'd probably use Karen's for everything.
    BUT... Macrium Reflect (paid) has Image Guardian, which protects my backed up images.
    And that is the reason I use Macrium at all.

    I've always used backup software, that protected it's images. I just feel that's the smart thing to do.
    Unfortunately, they charge for that, these days. AND... most software is way bloated as well.

    It's the same with Bitdefender paid. It has 13 modules of which I use three.
    But try to find AV/firewall software these days that just does that.
    I miss the old perfect Zonealarm firewall, too.


    I have this theory... programmers think they will be let go if they ever stop coding.
    So, they keep adding junk to everything. It's why we need such powerful computers to do simple things.

    When they code software, they should make "basic" programs that you can add plugins to, if needed.
    Instead they make huge ungainly programs with everything and the kitchen sink, included.
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