Restore Backup Image from one computer to another

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  1. Posts : 161
    Windows 11
       #31

    There may be additional partitions on how your old PC depending on how it is configured. When doing an image copy include those non-data partitions in addition to the C: partition. Then include those on the restore. After you have tested the basic function you can then restore the D: and E: partitions. No need to clone.

    If issues that you may encounter are that the new PC requires different drivers, so after the restore go to Device Manager and look for any orange triangles against any devices. You should be able to fix these with Windows.
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  2. Posts : 81
    windows 10
    Thread Starter
       #32

    quandary said:
    There may be additional partitions on how your old PC depending on how it is configured. When doing an image copy include those non-data partitions in addition to the C: partition. Then include those on the restore. After you have tested the basic function you can then restore the D: and E: partitions. No need to clone.

    If issues that you may encounter are that the new PC requires different drivers, so after the restore go to Device Manager and look for any orange triangles against any devices. You should be able to fix these with Windows.
    Yes, there is a reserved partition and it is included in image of C: automatically by Macrium.

    If the target does not boot after restore, there is no Device Manager.

    Here's what somebody here said:

    <if your modifications mean you have hacked system files, or made unusual registry changes, only cloning what you have now would carry those over.>

    I did not hack sysfiles, but there's tons of very detailed customization, including registry and I cannot afford to lose any of it -- I don't recall and can't redo. It is the whole point of this hassle.

    - - - Updated - - -

    For the benefit of @dalchina, @SIW2 and @idgat whom I frustrated, I have reviewed the whole thread very carefully and now I understand what I did not before. If you still wanna help it will be appreciated.

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    <Programs like Macrium Reflect, Aomei Backupper, Easeus...Macrium Reflect does indeed have a ReDeploy tool in the paid version for restoring to dissimilar hardware, but I have never yet found it to be necessary.>
    <Macrium Redeploy performs a search for new drivers- from, amongst other places, the Windows driver database.>

    Since they are not necessary, may not work and are not free, only as the last resort.
    Note that Redeploy won't work without access to the Net.

    2
    <Windows reconfigures drivers based on the hardware platform- as long as it has the necessary drivers. E.g. from Intel to AMD... one NIC to another and so on.>
    <Whilst Windows is good at reconfiguring drivers, there is a problem you will wish to consider. As you have Windows Update disabled in some way, driver updates would not be delivered in the normal way.>

    Without Net connection W10 won't be able to find the proper drivers for the target, as many assure me. Hence my concern that after the clean install of the OS and the restore, the mfgr drivers of the target won't be accessible and the whole thing will fail (I have never relied on MS/Windows for hw driver updates -- I download from mfgr sites and update myself.)

    3
    <If you are planning on using winpe media to do the restore, new intel (11th,12th,13th gen) oem machines often need first drivers in winpe to be able to see the target disk. these are the instructions from hp it is the same steps for dell, acer and the others: https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c06983517>

    I will use the Macrium Rescue CD to restore which uses winPE, so I guess I will have to use the HP procedure.
    The backup image is on an external USB drive -- I assume it will be accessible without a driver in the winPE?


    4
    <if your modifications mean you have hacked system files, or made unusual registry changes, only cloning what you have now would carry those over.>

    I did not hack sysfiles, but there's lot of customization including the registry so I cannot afford to lose ANY of it -- (can't recall to redo it) that's the whole point of doing this.

    So cloning the disk is the only option. If I understand it correctly:
    1: if the target is GPT/UEFI only I must convert disk (nontrivial)
    2: disk has a recovery partition - will it interfere?


    5
    <To migrate the installed W10 OS from the old Legacy/MBR machine to a new UEFI/GPT one:
    * I first clean installed the same version of Windows 10 on the new machine in UEFI/GPT mode.
    * I restored just the C: partition from the Legacy/MBR system image to replace the C: partition created by the clean install.
    *
    I ran the Macrium recovery drive's 'fix Windows boot problems' tool to create the correct BCD entry.
    The end result was all my old system and installed apps running on a modern UEFI machine.>

    Not an option if I have to clone the entire disk. Besides, the fix boot tool is probably in the paid version anyway.


    6
    <It is likely that a newly purchased PC will come with Win 11. Your transferred O/S would be activated with that license.
    <Note if you have an OEM licence on the existing PC then Windows will not activate on the new PC.>
    <if the new machine has a key in the firmware for a different edition, there are workarounds.>

    The source was originally W8.1 OEM, but was upgraded to W10 with a new license. DK if it will have key in firmware.
    This is a seeming contradiction. I tend to believe the 1st, but requires resolution.
    If it has a key in firmware, what are the workarounds?

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    I've seen references that activation requires the connection and if this is the case then all this won't work.
    Last edited by sgeneris; 09 May 2023 at 18:51.
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  3. Posts : 161
    Windows 11
       #33

    Seems to me you are spending too much time worrying rather than trying the processes.

    - Boot the new PC with the Macrium USB and see if the drive where the image copy is going to be written can be seen. If so take an image copy.
    - Restore the image copy from the old PC and try to boot. If it does not boot then try the Macrium function to Fix Windows Boot problems.

    If it does boot but has missing device drivers and no internet access then:
    - restore the image copy of the new PC
    - boot the new PC and use dism to extract the drivers (look for postings on the commands to do this)
    - restore the image copy of the old PC
    - boot the new PC and use the extracted drivers to update the system
    You should now have a clone of your old PC with the appropriate drives. Check that all is working and take a new image copy.

    Post back with progress and any issues.
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  4. Posts : 4,580
    several
       #34

    From the first post
    I need to get a new laptop
    I dont think the OP has the new laptop yet.

    I get the impression he wants to be forewarned of any potential issues before he does.
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  5. Posts : 81
    windows 10
    Thread Starter
       #35

    SIW2 said:
    From the first post


    I dont think the OP has the new laptop yet.

    I get the impression he wants to be forewarned of any potential issues before he does.
    SIW2

    EXACTLY right. Forewarned in the sense of not spinning wheels only to realize it does not work. I would like to come up from this discussion with a stepwise procedure that overcomes all the potential issues -- there are too many possible gotchas.

    Not enough attention is paid that Win10 1511 must be kept fixed. My understanding is that this requires OS installation and restore without Internet connection. This is what I understood from the initial replies of dalchina. If I am wrong, pls let me know.

    1. I am not sure W10 can even be installed without Internet connection (activation requires it)
    2. People here assure me that Win10 will find the hw drivers for the target, but that's dependent on Internet connection and without it I am not clear that it will find them.
    3. DISM option is beyond my knowledge.

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    quandary,

    The DISM extraction option is beyond my technical knowledge and I would like to avoid it if at all possible.
    There are several potential points where I would need to learn already and it's already a bit beyond my reach.

    Pls bear in mind that many people here are WAY more knowledgeable than I am and it's easy not to realize that I have less.
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  6. Posts : 42,982
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #36

    Essentially what you wish to do is uncharted territory. I don't know of anyone who's done this, and certainly not with such an old build.

    I am not sure W10 can even be installed without Internet connection
    It can.

    To address your own concern, you could have asked Google.
    can you install Windows 10 without an internet connection
    I did and found e,g,
    Windows 10 Without Internet (How to Install and Use It)
    for you.

    The downside is that if e.g. drivers that are not included in the Windows build are required- and might even be essential- you wouldn't get them. You would have to sort that out later- bearing in mind your new laptop has hardware several years newer than your 'fixed' build. If this proves an issue, Macrium Redeploy could help in your specific case, from what I've read of it.
    Not too that if necessary you can add drivers to Macrium's PE disk (bootable disk).

    There is a further risk: some machines require specific downloads from the manufacturers site to support specific features. Usually these are optional.

    I have appplied certain modifications to my Win 10:
    Restore Backup Image from one computer to another-1.jpg

    - but unlike you, I have ensured these mostly carry forward during an upgrade, make no fundamental changes to the O/S or system files, and are readily reapplied if necessary.

    I'm also totally unconcerned about so-called 'privacy' issues- and if so concerned you would run your PC air-gapped in a Faraday cage- no internet at all.

    Do let us know how you get on.
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  7. Posts : 7,904
    Windows 11 Pro 64 bit
       #37

    sgeneris said:
    The existing PC had originally a OEM W8.1 license. It was upgraded for free to a W10 Pro license -- so will Windows activate on new computer? Somebody here tells me that it will

    See, the devil is in these details and I am getting different info from different people, which is why I am cautious. I do have something to lose: time and effort and more if it does not work and I need to restore to default and return. Big hassle.
    Reverting to a previous state from a Reflect backup is no big hassle since it only takes a few minutes.

    You still have an OEM version of Windows which is supposed not be transferable. However, MS are known to be lax about enforcing such licences. It might be OK but be prepared to buy a new licence - note there are many discounted offers.
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  8. Posts : 81
    windows 10
    Thread Starter
       #38

    Steve C said:
    Reverting to a previous state from a Reflect backup is no big hassle since it only takes a few minutes.

    You still have an OEM version of Windows which is supposed not be transferable. However, MS are known to be lax about enforcing such licenses. It might be OK but be prepared to buy a new licence - note there are many discounted offers.
    Well, you see, one of the problems is that I get what seem to be contradictory advice here and I am not sufficiently knowledgeable to figure out what is correct. License and activation is one such subject and "might be OK" is not good enough for me to embark on the hassle. When I buy the new computer I pay for a license and I see no reason to pay for yet another -- certainly not to MS. Heck, , staying away from MS control is a primary reason for why I am trying to do this.
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  9. Posts : 7,904
    Windows 11 Pro 64 bit
       #39

    sgeneris said:
    Well, you see, one of the problems is that I get what seem to be contradictory advice here and I am not sufficiently knowledgeable to figure out what is correct. License and activation is one such subject and "might be OK" is not good enough for me to embark on the hassle. When I buy the new computer I pay for a license and I see no reason to pay for yet another -- certainly not to MS. Heck, , staying away from MS control is a primary reason for why I am trying to do this.
    OEM licences are tied to a particular PC whereas a retail licence is not. Only Microsoft will decide whether your OEM licence will activate so nobody here can answer that question for you.
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  10. Posts : 42,982
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #40

    Further, as I believe I said before, unless you are buying a 'bare bones' PC with no Windows installed, it will come with its own Windows activation - and that will apply automatically to each and every Windows installation on that PC, unless you intervene.

    And for clarity, if it comes with Win 11, that's good for Win 10 too. If you have Home now, and your new PC has Home, easy.

    Please also see my previous post (no reply yet).
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