Backup day... disaster strikes... all data gone and no extra backups

idgat said:

Not quite sure how internationally it is known/understood, but we have a saying here in Australia ... "that would be like trying to push ESS-AITCH-ONE-TEE uphill with a pointed stick". Unfortuately, to most of your average home users, systems are infallible and backup procedures are too technical and reserved for nerds

We can but try ....

So true, so true.. (We can but try)
I have not heard that saying.. and i think i need to google it to actually get it though.

reserved for nerds....... I think i will say both Yes and No on that one
on the No part, as i have understand win10 has some kind of built in backup for files that is super easy to activate? .... was it file-history or something similar?? I have not checked it out yet as i mostly have spend time modifying a win10 VM to see if i can get a pro to "become" an LTSC,
Then onedrive.. i have not looked in to that one either, if it just duplicate files as a backup or if it just act as a network drive.
Then today's backup software is a bit easier then it was 5-10-15years ago, so it is relativity easy to learn someone with lo tech skills how to use it..
On the Yes part, it still does require some basic knowledge of what is a filesystem and what is the difference between system files and user files and interact with external disks.

F22 Simpilot said:

Of course they do...

They don't operate in the U.S. by law.

*smiling* okay, but they dont have an office as far as i know in sweden anyway.
and i don't think CIA would have any usage of me.. it's more likely NSA that would recruit me in that case.. and they will get a big fat NO if they would try.
Actually i have no clue of what the CIA does.. i only know it stands for Central Intelligence Agency and they end up in the news headlines now and then. *lol*

I was always like: What would I need a backup for? I can clean install OS and restore all settings within 1-2 hours. That is great, if you have a time for it. Once I got back from work and OS was screwed, I had 2 hours to rest before sleeping and going back to work. Restoring a system backup takes 2 mins. So it is definitely worth it.

F22 Simpilot said:

The NSA are the data brokers, and the CIA are the analyzers with a private (easily disavowed) army... LOL!

Once upon a time - in the before time, I wanted to be in the CIA. So I read books on it all. Then I got older and smarter and felt like Uncle Sam is taking Lady Liberty for a ride... Even more so today. Well, that's my graphic interpretation as to what's happening today in this country that's slowly swirling down the "proverbial toilet." It's so bad I wouldn't even join today's military. I mean, gender equality , social experimentation BS and what have you has NO &%!# business in the military! The primary function of the military (our military) is to kill. Kill for the sake of this country, its people, other peoples and its/their freedom. That's what "they" teach you in a nutshell. How to kill the enemy, whom ever that sorry ass may be. LOL That's it! But nope, we have ass hats for generals and congressional idiots. Time for a new revolution I say... One of our Founding Fathers, Thomas Jefferson once wrote, and I'll paraphrase: "from time to time the blood of patriots MUST refresh the tree of liberty. They (this country's Founding Fathers) knew what a BS government was all about. Back then it was called a monarchy... Today it's called tyranny.


Anyway...


On the subject of "hoping" people will conduct a backup or clone of their computer is like leading a horse to water and forcing it to drink. That's the problem, it's choice and freewill. Well, it's not a problem though. Freewill to do smart or dumb things exist for a reason. Sometimes you learn a lesson, sometimes that lesson is very powerful... Like play Pokemon Go and fall off a cliff. Now you learn from the fourth dimension... "Saint Peter, why was I such a dumbass...?"

*LOL* (Uncle Sam is taking Lady Liberty for a ride.) That was a good one.

As for gender equality in the military and elsewhere.. I think the right man or woman on the right place and not hang up on politics or what was normal in the past. It has been proved that women is really good snipers. They is good for multitasking things as you have in command centers and flying drones and even airplanes. Short people don't blackout as fast as long people in high G-forces... So yeah the "gender equality" politics is a bit to much, but i guess it has to be the first step to let go on the old way of thinking and use the right person for the right job instead of being a jerk about it. *lol*
That is my opinion of course.. everyone has right to there own opinion.. i think that's why it is called a democracy. *lol*


And back to topic.
I totally agree with you with the leading a horse to water expression. That group is as it is.. But the other ones, that just don't know or don't thinking about it... it would be nice to get them starting to think about it.
and that is what i had in mind of having a backup day thread.. people notice the activity and start reading.. Those horses that don't want do drink they only passing by.. but those who want to drink, they just found the waterhole and can start asking how to get started.



But i have a feeling I'm alone of wanting to prevent disasters, instead of trying to helping when the disaster is a fact and have hit them in the face.
So I'm going to close this thread(Mark it as solved) as it is obvious it is to few in here that has that kind of interest.

But it was worth a try even if the thread derailed(me included)...... So I'm going back to only be social with you all in here.

Malneb said:

I apologize i instigated the thread to derail but it was bound to by way of nature anyway just by the context of it, if it wasn't me it would of been someone else.

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I also might of come across as rash but i did not mean to if that is the case i just get tunnel vision sometimes and i do post many times here late at night/early morning so that hampers my decisions sometimes again i apologize.

Backups should be done and they are a very good prevention plan but at the same time we have a whole bunch of preventative tech that can allow us to overstep that need if we want, still subjective but if you know how to piece several things together and you also know how to not make mistakes locally then you can be pretty exempt from them.

Take your web browser for example something that we use to connect to the outside world wide lan of things its a scary place out there but you can lock that thing down so much these days by employing several various means and several various layers that literally nothing is coming through unless you let it. Adblocking, Js blocking, click jack blocking to name a few like anything out there trying to come through not going to happen. Anything that says "block" inside your browser settings should be enabled.

That only leaves a few other areas to go wrong if you have strong firewall infrastructure and also strong infrastructure inside your lan and also keep on top of any of your computers inside your lan then what else?

hardware failure but then that is also a minimal chance and you should know what your parts are doing and there is tech here too like sanitize your incoming power and also power loss prevention. So that really only leaves hardware degradation which is noticeable usually over time giving you time to react.

its to the point where you can wrap your whole infrastructure up in cotton wool and basically nothing is going to happen.

When i said i have never had ransomware before i meant that. I have had other detection over the years but they are always either false positive or they are picked up as machine learning because i play many games that use self built patchers.

I know i took the thread off rail but i cannot help that now i do wish i didn't because it was not my intention.
i still am valid in my standpoint though because both standpoints are still valid both the question of whether or not to back up.

Just my opinion...

The whole point of Backup Day is to get people to back up their computers. The problem is when you start complicating matters by arguing over whether one way is better than another then many people will become confused and just give up. That is what happened to me when I tried to do it the so called right way. When I stopped listening to conventional wisdom and found what worked for me then I was able to move forward.

That is what should be discussed in this thread. Other discussions just overwhelm and trivialize the other discussions. There is nothing wrong with discussions about the merits of one backup plan or another but those discussions belong in another thread.