Backup day... disaster strikes... all data gone and no extra backups

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  1. Posts : 2,271
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       #21

    Malneb said:
    i still have the same redundancy its just that i don't have to clone mine every week i do things once and only once and that is the difference, i can restore just about everything on my PC that i need to and that is the brilliance of not getting caught in the need to rely on "back up" all my settings are saved and the files that i warrant as needing to be stored elsewhere. i can re apply them all if i need to.

    I do some things periodically but i am not overly concerned about weekly backups and this pc has been going since 2015 well more like 2010 but on windows 10 since 2015 without back ups i have other computers never backed up either. Maybe that is saying either i am lucky or that maybe i am good at avoiding mistake.

    Not really scared about malware i never get it and i know the signs, i also know how to diagnose a computer well and i never have problems with this stuff.

    Sure someone less inclined would be better off with cloning their hard drive i don't need this. Like i said its subjective and i have my needs covered.

    if you are getting hardware failure then that is just unlucky i have lots of parts/computers new and used and i never have anything fail either i think the last time something failed on me i was a kid and i am in my 30s now. Maybe i have lucked out here too but i do select and look after parts that are in good condition and also good quality else i cycle parts away from being relied on.

    I am not going to jerry rig a computer that has one compromised part in it i do testing before hand.

    am i really that far from being put out? not really. i might not have a 1:1 copy of my computer but most of the relevant stuff is just a few clicks away, if we are going to get as minute as saying but if back up 3 fails and back up 4 fails then that is bit far fetched imo. Like you really got to back up that many times? you work for the CIA?
    No i don't work for the CIA, they don't exist in Sweden.

    If you have a NAS i mean a real one.. that means it has hardware raid. If the motherboard stops working you data on the disk is gone if you don't have a new motherboard or can get an exactly the same NAS model/series.
    so to rely on hardware Raid as backup for personal files. Then you will learn the hard way in the future how it is to lose data. If you also have a cloud for your personal data.. Then you are safer.

    and for zero-day ransom malware.. you don't have a chance to stop it before it is to late with SSD's and M.2 disk.. you have so high write speed so it encrypt thousands of files/second. with Gbit network to the NAS and the NAS in raid5 you have around 130MB/s in write speed

    and do clone disks.. that is overkill.... that is for us lazy people that don't feel for reinstalling a system and re-tweaking it. it is so lazy to just boot up and hit restore drive and go away to do something else during the time it takes.

    I only clone my drives after a clean install with my personal settings and tweaks.. then i make a new image if i make a major change on the system otherwise i only filesync personal data as documents and important files.. Take my media center computer as example, It only has one 4 or 5year old disk-clone when i installed the OS.. Then i use File-Sync for those drives with data worth saving.. and FileSync only copy change data.. not old data, so it is fast. That goes to my server and then i backup my server data folders once a week to external drives with filesync so it only transfer new data, not the old un-change data... that would be a waist of time copy old data
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  2. Posts : 1,201
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       #22

    i don't use raid NAS does not mean it has to be raid i still have lots of storage in my NAS why would i have to have raid for it to be a NAS exactly? Custom built NAS but that does not mean i need to have raid to qualify.

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    And then like i just mentioned if you are going to get that minute then its still a catch 22 is it not? the stuff you are saying now could happen whether or not you do multiple backups or none at all.

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    like come on if you are really letting malware inside your lan then you are computing ineffectively i have never even had ransomware before and i have been computing for over 20 years now maybe a bit longer i got my first computer when i was like 5 i am now 35.
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       #23

    Malneb said:
    i don't use raid NAS does not mean it has to be raid i still have lots of storage in my NAS why would i have to have raid for it to be a NAS exactly? Custom built NAS but that does not mean i need to have raid to qualify.
    Okay, you have a desktop acting as a fileserver.. That is another thing
    Synology and those NASes use hardware raid as servers do. You use raid to have redundancy if one dive fail you swap it out and it rebuild the pool again without data loss. With software raid you can get the same redundancy and it is easier to move that pool to new hardware.. But it is often slower then hardware raid as the CPU has to take the load.


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    If your user account has access to the fileservers folders, then the ransomware uses that user permissions to get access to the network
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  4. Posts : 1,201
    Windows 10
       #24

    network attached storage does not mean it needs to be raid for it to qualify

    Not going to get into tit for tat with you read back i am already implying that i don't want to argue with you. I did also say its all subjective for like the third time now. Meaning it only pertains to me and my needs not yours.

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    my NAS is only on when i need it else its not turned on. i also have a server rack multiple actually so you don't need to educate me thanks.

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    if you understand my line of thinking then you will know that i don't use raid. Why? Because in 2023 we don't need raid anymore we have storage mediums that make raid redundant its not the 90s anymore.

    if i was hosting sensitive data or a database for external entities then sure raid but as a home user not really required my personal data does not really warrant overthinking these things i can use critical thinking instead.
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       #25

    If you don't want to discuss with me.. stop writing to me then.

    as for the 90's and raid.. even if hardware raid starts to been taken over by oracles Raid-Z and googles, microsofts own datacenter solutions and so on.. raid is still used to prevent data losses when drives get old and break down even in 2023
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  6. Posts : 1,201
    Windows 10
       #26

    Ok so read between the lines you just regurgitated what i said but in a different manner while also trying to override me at the same time.

    if i was hosting sensitive data or a database for external entities then sure raid but as a home user not really required my personal data does not really warrant overthinking these things i can use critical thinking instead.
    i think we are done here not looking for an argument thanks. Everyone is entitled to their opinion this is a forum and this whole thread is subject to opinions.

    Sure when talking about online services then raid becomes a priority because of the scale of these operations the uptime and the level of redundancy needed. What we are going to start comparing our data saving as home users to data center levels of scope now?

    it scales down quite exponentially for the home user and is not even a good comparison. How minute are we going to get here? coz its starting to get to minute already.
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  7. Posts : 2,182
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       #27

    Backup day is about educating people about the importance of backing up your data. Finding a way that works for you is more important than what method you use. Overthinking this and making things more complicated risks failure. Success is what we should be about.
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  8. Posts : 759
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       #28

    I think a key point being missed: redundancy doesn't replace journalling or snapshots.

    Mirrors only duplicate data, but they don't guarantee integrity. If something decides to overwrite files, I have duplicate copies of garbage in real-time. A point-in-time backup better protects against user accidents or ransomware.

    We're at the point of every discussion where it's just now bragging. Someone who has more time & resources can always build a more elaborate data protection strategy than you.
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  9. Posts : 1,201
    Windows 10
       #29

    you got to be all sorts of messed up in one way or another for files to be overwritten in real time like that, or doing something that is strange or you could just have a power out that zero bytes some data but that is still a slim chance of happening as that is what the journaling file system's purpose is for.

    I think there is clause for backing up i never intended for this to become a tit for tat and i defiantly didn't want to oppose people, i just feel with some common sense backing up your drive at a 1:1 scale is less relevant than it needs to be.

    I never reverted to a back up last year or the year before that or the last five years even the last 10-15 years. I don't even clone my hard drives because i don't feel its necessary i feel confident in my ability to stay above water. The only time i ever need to clone one is when i want to replace it. I do also sanitize my incoming power in few ways.

    Tech has come far enough now that we have greater tolerance we also have smarter tech we also have stronger computing comprehension than we did 20 years ago, just think of how much of a mixed bag computers was in the 90s and many thing took a while to become standardized and also many things were very oddball in nature.

    I mean just think of things like class compliance and pnp which was a nightmare in the recent past we don't have many issues that we used to and computers are pretty safe now unless you actually trying to break them.

    We are past all those times just recall how difficult windows used to be and the troubleshooting was very bad basically broken. The tech is advanced enough imo if you look after it and know how to handle some fundamentals then you are pretty much on a even keel.

    This already tells me i don't need to worry about this i already know i don't anyway again all subjective.
    Last edited by Malneb; 19 Apr 2023 at 18:12.
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  10. Posts : 2,137
    Windows 11 Pro (latest update ... forever anal)
       #30

    Marie SWE said:
    The question and the purpose of this thread is.. How do we get new people on the backup-train?
    Not quite sure how internationally it is known/understood, but we have a saying here in Australia ... "that would be like trying to push ESS-AITCH-ONE-TEE uphill with a pointed stick". Unfortuately, to most of your average home users, systems are infallible and backup procedures are too technical and reserved for nerds

    We can but try ....
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