Why can't we use system backup and restore anymore?

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  1. Posts : 36
    Windows 10 Enterprise
       #1

    Why can't we use system backup and restore anymore?


    Back in the old days, when Windows XP was the latest version of Windows, I believe around the year 1750, when the first Thanksgiving was held, Windows came with a feature called "System Backup and Restore" by those who didn't know its official name.

    Why can't we use system backup and restore anymore?-systemrestore.png

    These processes captured or restored the registry and software, but not user files, such as word documents.

    Today, I cannot find utilities that provide the same functions. Here is what I could find:

    .. How to make a full backup of Windows 10
    .... Create an image of a Windows 10 hard drive (problem: copies everything, external device needed)
    .... Create a clone of your hard drive (problem: copies everything, external device needed)
    .... Create a backup with Windows File History (problem: excludes regsitry, group policies)
    .... Build a NAS system (problem: hurts my brain)

    Apart from contributing to the destruction of civilization currently pursued by Microsoft's founder, I can find no reason for discontinuing Windows System Backup and Windows System, Restore. Obviously, we are not supposed to tell anyone that reason.

    What is the publically-statable reason Windows System Backup and Windows System Restore no longer are available?

    ....
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  2. Posts : 13,730
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.2364
       #2

    You can still use it for file backups. Its now called Back up and Restore (Windows 7)

    MS told us not to use it for making system images when they released V1709 [but some people do - some have problems whilst others don't].
    MS never gave a reason.

    imaging deprecated in Ver 1709 - TenForums


    All the best,
    Denis
    Last edited by Try3; 29 Nov 2022 at 22:45.
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  3. Posts : 38,279
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #3

    These processes captured or restored the registry and software, but not user files, such as word documents.
    Perhaps you are thinking of System Restore.

    This exists in Win 10. You may need to enable it.

    There is a useful tutorial in the searchable Tutorial for scheduling the creation of restore points.
    I choose to have one created daily.

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    This is a useful complement to two other approaches:

    a. The routine and regular use of 3rd party disk imaging e.g.
    Macrium Reflect
    Aomei Backupper
    Easeus Todo Backup
    etc

    All of the 3 above have free and paid for options.

    b. Specific data backup e.g. for critical and faster changing data
    Many programs available - and some versions of the above support data backup too.

    Using these 3 approaches in the appropriate manner can provide a robust backup with different options depending on the circumstances.

    Win 10 also offers File History.

    However, from what I've seen, 3rd party offerings are the least troublesome and best supported.
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  4. Posts : 3,357
    several
       #4

    System restore is still there. You might need to enable it if you haven't already.

    System image backup is still there. MS are always trying to dump things which gives them less to maintain and saves a little space. Particularly if not many people are using it. It is still in windows 11 so presumably enough people are using it, in spite of the efforts of macrium buffs to put them off. There is video of an MS employee telling of the struggle he had to get startup sound included because they were trying to remove as many things as possible. A while ago they tried to dump xcopy but changed their minds.
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  5. Posts : 19,859
    Win 10 Home ♦♦♦19045.2546 (x64) [22H2]
       #5

    Carla Rogers said:
    Back in the old days, when Windows XP was the latest version of Windows, I believe around the year 1750, when the first Thanksgiving was held, Windows came with a feature called "System Backup and Restore" by those who didn't know its official name.

    Today, I cannot find utilities that provide the same functions. Here is what I could find:

    .. How to make a full backup of Windows 10
    .... Create an image of a Windows 10 hard drive (problem: copies everything, external device needed)
    .... Create a clone of your hard drive (problem: copies everything, external device needed)
    .... Create a backup with Windows File History (problem: excludes regsitry, group policies)
    .... Build a NAS system (problem: hurts my brain)

    Apart from contributing to the destruction of civilization currently pursued by Microsoft's founder, I can find no reason for discontinuing Windows System Backup and Windows System, Restore. Obviously, we are not supposed to tell anyone that reason.


    Obviously, from this topic and others... you are trying to accomplish some great task, while keeping your ancestors happy. It's possible that if you told us "what" you are trying to accomplish, it would be easier for us to help with the "how".

    Back in the early days of this country, some friendly Indians showed us how to... grow better crops, survive in the wilderness, and how to use backup software with backups stored externally or internally.

    They also showed us how to find the cheapest storage solutions in the great hunting grounds, called PCPartpicker.
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  6. Posts : 36
    Windows 10 Enterprise
    Thread Starter
       #6

    Ghot said:
    Obviously, from this topic and others... you are trying to accomplish some great task, while keeping your ancestors happy. It's possible that if you told us "what" you are trying to accomplish, it would be easier for us to help with the "how".

    Back in the early days of this country, some friendly Indians showed us how to... grow better crops, survive in the wilderness, and how to use backup software with backups stored externally or internally.

    They also showed us how to find the cheapest storage solutions in the great hunting grounds, called PCPartpicker.
    The reason I am asking about backup/restore is I am looking for an efficient safety net. When I make mistakes, I want to be able to roll back to a system that works. That is all I had in mind with this question.

    I don't know if you ever used system restore points in Windows XP, but it was great. I cannot tell you how many times I recovered from horrible situations by restoring my system to a restore point, created in a process called "backup" at the time. The restore points included the software but did not touch all the personal files. So documents, music, pictures, spreadsheets, any file produced using any software was untouched. The importance of this was the storage requirements for the restore points was relatively small. The restore points covered all the software, the versions of software, all the software configurations, everything in registry.

    Today, I don't see anything analogous. I don't think today's techies deliberately torpedoe what used to be great, I think they are just dumb and lost due to the confusion of a society withering under constant information war.
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  7. Posts : 13,730
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.2364
       #7

    Carla Rogers said:
    Today, I don't see anything analogous.
    As explained above, the thing you want still exists & is called System restore.
    There is a TenForumsTutorial about it.

    Denis



    It's really worth making time to browse through the Tutorial index - there's a shortcut to it at the top of every page.
    - At the foot of the Tutorial index is a shortcut to download it as a spreadsheet.
    - I download a new copy each month.
    - By downloading it as a spreadsheet I can benefit from Excel's excellent filtering capabilities when I search for topics of interest.
    - Tutorials are also listed by category at Tutorials - there's also a shortcut to that at the top of every page.
    - Both tutorial lists are searchable.
    - You can also search for TenForumsTutorials in many general search engines, such as Google, by adding site:tenforums.com/tutorials after your search term. For example,
    taskbar toolbars site:tenforums.com/tutorials

    You can search TenForums using the search box in the top-right corner of all TenForums webpages or using Advanced Search - TenForums
    - You can also search TenForums threads in many general search engines, such as Google, by adding site:tenforums.com after your search term. For example,
    Search for drivers by HardwareID site:tenforums.com
    - [This is what the search box in the top-right corner of TenForums webpages does automatically]
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  8. Posts : 38,279
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #8

    I gave you quite a full - but sadly unacknowledged post - so on that basis I will wish you good luck- I'm out.
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  9. Posts : 3,357
    several
       #9

    It is not easy to find a specific tutorial unless you know the exact title.

    In the search box on the taskbar, type Create a restore point, and select it from the list of results.
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  10. Posts : 19,859
    Win 10 Home ♦♦♦19045.2546 (x64) [22H2]
       #10

    @Carla Rogers


    Oh I remember XP and even before. It was in Windows XP that I finally switched to "backup software".
    And as you mentioned... Backup software, backs up and restores "everything".

    So I was faced with a problem. How to give up inferior methods like System Restore and Windows backup yet still not "lose" all things changed in my User files, when restoring from a backup.

    Well, it turns out that wasn't possible. So... I needed to change the way I did things.

    My best solution...

    1. Keep the used space on my Windows drive... tiny.
    2. Install any large programs or games, on a storage drive, rather than on the Windows partition.
    3. Then, I could make frequent backups and restores... quickly.

    This would still erase the changes to my User files, when restoring from a backup.
    So I also decided that using Microsoft's Libraries was not a smart thing to do.

    So... on my storage drive I created a few folders.
    Things like Pictures, Texts, Music, Videos, etc. Every program I've ever used has a Save feature, that allows me to browse to any folder, to save my files. So I don't need to use the Libraries... AND, even if I have to restore from a backup, my "User" files so to speak, don't get erased because they are on a storage drive.


    Then, with regards to my storage drive's safety... I just got another storage drive, and use Karen's Replicator to copy my main storage drive, to my 2nd storage drive. All in all it looks like this.,...

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    Benefits...

    1. I don't have to rely on System Restore, which doesn't always work properly.
    2. I can make a backup or perform a restore, in two minutes.
    3. May backups are small. Approx. 1/2 the size of my 38 GB C: drive, or 19 GB.




    Here's my story, it's sad but true
    About a System Restore that I once knew
    It took my files then it ran aground
    And then everything that I knew was down

    Yeah, I should have known it from the very start
    That System Restore would break my heart
    Now listen people what I'm telling you
    That System Restore will make you blue yeah

    System Restore likes to run aground
    It'll work for you then it'll let you down
    Now people let me put you wise
    System Restore will make you cry

    Here's the moral of the story from the guy who knows
    System Restore will bring you woes
    Ask any fool who's used it before, they'll say
    You keep away from that System Restore.
    Last edited by Ghot; 30 Nov 2022 at 14:56.
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