Windows Image Backup Fails--No Matter How Large the Backup Drive!

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  1. Posts : 50
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    Windows Image Backup Fails--No Matter How Large the Backup Drive!


    I'm building a new web server to replace a nearly 20 year old Dell machine that died in a power surge last Saturday.

    Build is 21H1 19043.1348.

    I've several Win 10 Pro systems and never encountered this particular error with backups before. Windows Image Backup has up to now, been reliable for me.

    This new system came pre loaded with Win 10 Pro and an Admin account. Logged in as such, I cannot backup the 32GB bare bones Windows drive. I first tried the second internal 240GB drive, then a 1TB ext drive, then went out and bought an 8TB ext drive and each time the backup fails with an insufficient space error.

    Research on this problem said something about running checkdisk, but when I tried that, I got an error that I don't have sufficient permission (as an admin) to perform this task.

    I'm trying to make a backup image before I make major changes, so I have a baseline to return to. This is a fanless industrial PC with no optical drive--only internal SSD drives, so I cannot use something like Macrium on a CD to make a backup and restore.

    Here's the error. What's causing this? Is it the way the manufacturer set it up, perhaps they locked down permissions too restrictively? How can I make it work properly?

    Windows Image Backup Fails--No Matter How Large the Backup Drive!-backupfail.png
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  2. ThrashZone's Avatar
    Posts : 7,676
    3-Win-7Prox64 3-Win10Prox64 3-LinuxMint20.2
       #2

    Hi,
    I primarily use free macrium reflect
    More specifically it's winpe recovery media which the os is not active

    But once you create the winpe it will show a driver check list
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  3. Bree's Avatar
    Posts : 21,956
    10 Home x64 (21H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
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    M A Weiss said:
    Windows Image Backup has up to now, been reliable for me....
    Despite that, you should stop trying to use it immediately and use a system image solution from another provider. Microsoft have been telling us so for over four years now.....

    Microsoft said:
    System Image Backup (SIB) Solution
    We recommend that users use full-disk backup solutions from other vendors.
    Features removed or Deprecated in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update


    This is a fanless industrial PC with no optical drive--only internal SSD drives, so I cannot use something like Macrium on a CD to make a backup and restore.

    Doe it not have any USB ports? You can make a Macrium bootable rescue USB and boot from that.
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  4. Paul Black's Avatar
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    Win 10 Pro 64-bit v1909 - Build 18363 Custom ISO Install
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    Hello @M A Weiss,

    Personally, I would stay clear of the Windows Built-In Imaging & Backup option for the reasons I have given below.

     Windows Built-In - Imaging & Backup

    Information:

    DOWNSIDE:

    It is common knowledge that most of the time you CAN'T trust ANY of the MS built-in Backup or Image facilities because they just DON'T work. The System Imaging facility is a deprecated feature which is NO longer being developed or updated [ it used the same executables in every version of W10 ]. Even MS say that the built-in System Imaging facility should NOT be used . . .

    System Image Backup (SIB) Solution
    We recommend that users use full-disk backup solutions from other vendors.

    SOURCE: > Features Removed or Deprecated in Windows 10



    UPSIDE:

    If you do use the built-in MS System Imaging facility, then a Recovery Drive USB from almost any version of Win 10 is capable of restoring any other version of a Win 10 MS System Image. A Recovery Drive USB and the System Repair Disk DVD are functionally identical. The only requirement is that it is the same Win 10 bit type [ x86 or x64 ] as the System Image to be restored.



    I hope this helps.
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  5. cereberus's Avatar
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    Windows10
       #5

    For clarity, you can use Macrium Reflect Free for commercial use but you are restricted to 10 installations.

    Also, you can install the winpe environment on internal drives and do not need to use external drives. However if you do this, you should install on at least two drives in case one fails.
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  6. Posts : 50
    Windows 10 Pro
    Thread Starter
       #6

    If System Image has been deprecated, why is it still there?

    I use System Image frequently on my other Win 10 machines. It's saved me numerous times after incidents that rendered the system unable to start or be repaired.

    All the systems where Backup Image works are built by me. The system where it doesn't work was built by the vendor that sold the PC. I am wondering if that's because it's a "latest version" where the feature is broken, or because the vendor did something to cause it to malfunction by misconfiguring Windows?

    I've tried Macrium in the past, but there were problems with the graphics driver not showing the whole application screen, making the application impossible to use.

    It seems to me there ought to be a way to make this work.
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  7. pparks1's Avatar
    Posts : 1,947
    Windows 10 Pro
       #7

    I've run into this when the hidden system partitions have a significant amount of space consumed. I've experienced this in the past, and somehow (I cannot remember how), I got space freed up on these partitions on my primary hard drive and got past the problem.
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  8. mngerhold's Avatar
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    W10-2009 19042.1348
       #8

    I believe your lack of space issue is with the source (32GB) system drive - the error message seems to make that clear. I imagine it may be tight on space, but there must be some crud you can remove. My complete C: installation (with any number of programs) is only 24GB.
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  9. cereberus's Avatar
    Posts : 12,639
    Windows10
       #9

    M A Weiss said:
    If System Image has been deprecated, why is it still there?

    I use System Image frequently on my other Win 10 machines. It's saved me numerous times after incidents that rendered the system unable to start or be repaired.

    All the systems where Backup Image works are built by me. The system where it doesn't work was built by the vendor that sold the PC. I am wondering if that's because it's a "latest version" where the feature is broken, or because the vendor did something to cause it to malfunction by misconfiguring Windows?

    I've tried Macrium in the past, but there were problems with the graphics driver not showing the whole application screen, making the application impossible to use.

    It seems to me there ought to be a way to make this work.
    That screen bug was fixed a long time ago.
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  10. Posts : 50
    Windows 10 Pro
    Thread Starter
       #10

    My system drive is 128GB but the Windows installation is only consuming 32GB. The system drive is mostly empty. Not sure about any hidden partitions though. I don't have control over the system reserved partition which is around 100MB.
    Is 128GB enough for a boot drive? I thought it was more than enough so I ordered the PC configured with 128GB system drive thinking that was overkill.
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