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  1. Posts : 103
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    best backup


    goal is to do a full complete backup of os

    when you search backup in settings the only thing that comes up is
    backup using file history
    do you recommend using this? why or why not? does this do full complete backup of os?

    if you dont recommend this, what is simpliest way to have backups be automatic likely daily or weekly? or every 2?

    whats a list of all the items we needto get to do this simpliest way to do a full complete backup of os?
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  2. Posts : 2,134
    Windows 11 Pro (latest update ... forever anal)
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    Image the system (OS and programs) using Macrium Reflect (freeware). Repeat after every change to the system (updates, new programs installed, programs removed, etc)

    To minimise the size of the image file, and reduce the time taken to create, move the user created files to alternate location outside the C:\ drive, but leaving the Windows system user folders in situ (Documents, Desktop, Downloads, Pictures, Music, Videos) with minimal content.


    Backup user created files in native format (i.e. jpg as jpg, doc/x as doc/x) mp4 as mp4, etc) using SyncBackFree.


    Alll/both/either can be set to run auto with Task Scheduler, and/or run manually as required.
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  3. Posts : 16,892
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #3

    File backup vs imaging, imaging utilities, backing up drivers


    helpfixcomputer said:
    goal is to do a full complete backup of os
    whats a list of all the items we needto get to do this simpliest way to do a full complete backup of os?
    I backup my own files [which are on a separate partition/disk to my OS with its applications] and I make system images.

    I have two large external drives for backups. This week my system images & my file backups will be made on one of them and next week it'll be the other.

    For system images I use a free sawn-off version of Acronis that is available for computers containing Seagate, Samsung, Maxtor disks [there is also a free version available for WD, SanDisk, G-Technology]. I am limited to making full system images but that's only 10-20 minutes while I have a pot of tea. Backing up my own files and settings takes longer than that.

    If a drive contains only straightforward files, such as music files or Word documents, then you can use any file backup method including simply copying them to an external drive.
    File backups allow you to restore individual files or all the files to their backed-up state.
    - So if you accidentally overwrite a file or folder, you can restore it from the backup.
    - Ideally, you would backup your files every time you changed any of them. Some people backup their files every day. I do mine a couple of times a week but also run an automatic backup of my key files every hour.
    - I use the built-in Windows 10 utility RoboCopy for most of my file backups including the key files' automatic hourly backup.
    - - It takes a bit of study and it takes a bit of getting used to.
    - - I use it within batch files. They also take a bit of study and a bit of getting used to.
    - Getting some ready-made Windows component or third-party backup utility to handle your file backups instead avoids having to study anything. Some third-party backup utilities can make the whole thing seamless & pain-free.

    If a drive contains the OS or anything like a program that is installed then drive imaging is more appropriate.
    Drive imaging allows you to restore a whole drive to its backed-up state.
    - So if a Windows fault or update wrecks your OS, you can restore the whole OS drive to its backed-up state.
    - System images can turn a disaster into a mere inconvenience.
    - When you see the term system imaging, it means the same as drive imaging or disk imaging. It just indicates that the drive that was imaged was the system drive, the one with the OS on it.
    - Ideally, you would backup your system every time you change any of its components or settings. Some people image their systems every day. I image mine once a month so I have an image ready for use before the next Windows update.
    - All imaging utilities allow you to make a boot disk of some kind so that you can boot from it to restore an image even if Windows refuses to start.
    - - You are therefore not fully protected until you have made & tested the boot disk. I made & tested two boot disks for mine in about 2016 to raise the chances that, in some future emergency, at least one of them will work.
    - - Some imaging utilities can also be set up as a 'dual boot' so you can choose to boot straight into it instead of Windows if Windows is wrecked. That might be regarded as a convenient alternative to having a separate boot disk. But, and it's a very big but, such a setup will not protect you if the disk itself is defective & neds to be replaced. You'd want to have the imaging utility's boot disk to be able to cope with that.
    - Just to avoid confusion about two very similar terms you might see people use, do note that restoring a system image does not mean the same as System restore, a Windows function.
    - - System imaging & restoring system images is reliable and effective.
    - - System restore can be convenient when it works.
    - Many imaging utilities also allow you to pick out and copy back individual folders or files but it's probably best to regard that as a bonus that might never get used.



    Don't use Windows imaging - part of "Backup & restore (Windows 7)".

    MS said not to in their announcement of Windows 10 Version 1709 and have never withdrawn that warning

    imaging deprecated in Ver 1709 - TenForums



    Macrium Reflect is often recommended in this forum for making system images.
    - There are so many Macrium Reflect evangelists in this forum that you can get almost instant help with any problems you have using it.
    - Its current free version [v8] is the last planned free one and its final security patch was on 1st January 2024.
    - Thereafter, Macrium Reflect will provide free 30 day trials but not permanently-free versions. This has already been demonstrated by experimentation - see post #44 of another thread.

    Macrium Software Macrium Reflect Free
    Backup and Restore with Macrium Reflect - TenForumsTutorials - This includes making their boot disk & optionally adding a Macrium reflect option to your boot menu.
    Macrium Reflect KnowledgeBase - user guide [version-independent link]
    Additionally, Macrium reflect users have posted that its boot disk has better startup repair capabilities than Windows installation USBs.
    Macrium Reflect Boot disk - Fix Boot Problems - MacriumReflectKB
    Use Macrium Reflect Rescue Media to Fix Windows Boot Issues - TenForumsTutorials

    Its viBoot facility can make bootable system images. Or, more precisely,
    Macrium viBoot - Macrium KB said:
    viBoot enables you to boot into the images you have made using Macrium Reflect, for validation purposes, or to retrieve data from old applications stored on a bootable image.
    Macrium viBoot - Macrium KB said:
    Macrium viBoot enables you, to instantly create, start and manage Microsoft Hyper-V and Virtualbox virtual machines using one or more Macrium Reflect image files as the basis of the virtual machine storage sub-system.
    Macrium viBoot - Macrium KB
    Macrium viBoot - Create Virtual Machine using Macrium Image - TenForumsTutorials



    Amongst the other system imaging utilities are:

    1 Acronis True Image - Normally paid for but, up until now, owners of these disk brands have been able to get free limited-capability versions [with perpetual licences] from these companies. WD have recently changed to 5 year licences. Personally, I don't regard free 5-year licence versions as particularly attractive for a backup solution.

    - These free versions depend on the presence of that brand of disk both to make system images & to restore system images.
    - The free versions allow full system imaging but not the incremental/differential imaging that the paid-for version allows.
    - Their own-branded USB stick can be enough to allow them to work but an SD card is not.
    - They cannot necessarily detect a branded disk connected in a non-standard way [such as in a caddy in a DVD bay] and the only way to find out is to try it. This has varied over time/versions.
    - Their willingness to restore images in the absence of a branded disk has also varied over time/versions.
    2 AOMEI Backupper Free - Free version, downloadable pdf user guide, online user guide

    3 EaseUS ToDo Backup Free - Free version

    4 Paragon Backup & Recovery - Free version


    [Links 2-4 kindly provided by Paul Black]



    While you're thinking about backups, consider Backup and Restore Device Drivers - TenForumsTutorials as well.

    All the best,
    Denis
    Last edited by Try3; 2 Weeks Ago at 06:00.
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  4. Posts : 103
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    Try3 said:
    Drive imaging allows you to restore a whole drive

    this is perfect on the lvl of powershell v admin cmd prompt

    a keepsake that everyone should link to

    but does anyone know about the automation part of the question?


    btw what writing/note tool/app do you use to keep this note? wanna keep this great note, a tool/app good for finding things though, everything i use isnt very good for finding things - maybe should be a seperate question but just a quick q for what would you use
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  5. Posts : 16,892
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
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    Many file backup utilities and many system imaging utilities contain their own scheduling capabilities or can be run by Task scheduler.

    You'd have to look into the subject for each utility you are considering but, for Macrium reflect, there is some explanation in their KnowledgeBase at
    Scheduling and Retention rules - Macrium reflect KB


    Denis

    I just keep notes in my filing system and make links to tutorials & to posts that explain things well.
    - If I reply to somebody else on the subject of backups I will probably just copy a portion of what I wrote in my post to you or simply give them a link to my post [which was itself an updated consolidation of what I had posted elsewhere].

    I also have a copy of the Tutorial index - there's a shortcut to it at the top of every page.
    - At the foot of the Tutorial index is a shortcut to download it as a spreadsheet so I can benefit from Excel's filtering capabilities when I search for topics of interest.
    - I download a new copy each month.
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  6. Posts : 7,890
    Windows 11 Pro 64 bit
       #6

    Try using capital letters and full stops like this sentence.

    Look no further than Macrium Reflect Free.
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  7. Posts : 16,892
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #7

    I've updated my long post #3 above to reflect the 2024 demise of Macrium Reflect [Free].
    Bree has demonstrated that there will then only be 30 day free trial versions not permanently-free versions.

    Denis
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  8. Posts : 42,868
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #8

    As this topic has been addressed before... please feel free to search tenforums for that.
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  9. Posts : 16,892
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
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    dalchina said:
    As this topic has been addressed before... please feel free to search tenforums for that.
    I suppose you mean the demise of the free version.
    Bree is the first [that I've noticed] to positively demonstrate what the new situation will be. All the other threads I've seen have been based on speculation so I think Bree's experimental results are a big step forward for us all.

    All the best,
    Denis
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  10. Posts : 42,868
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #10

    No, sorry for not being 100% clear- I meant the topic in the title- of which is the 'best' backup - a review of and suggestions for backup programs, approaches, strategies.
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