Macrium Reflect Free adds a second Recovery partition when I restore


  1. Posts : 30
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       #1

    Macrium Reflect Free adds a second Recovery partition when I restore


    Hello,

    I am using Macrium Relect Free to make backups of my computer.

    I used it to make a system image backup of Windows 10 on an SSD. To test I booted into the Macrium Rescue media USB key and restored the image to a different HDD. Macrium added another Recovery partition to the end of the HDD. Is it supposed to do that?

    I have two disks in my laptop.. Disk 0 is the SSD and Disk 1 is the HDD. I made an image backup of the SSD and restored it to the HDD. Here is a screenshot to illustrate. Why did Macrium add another Recovery partition to the end of Disk 1? Is that just standard practice? Is it better to have it at the end? Can I move or delete it? Which one should I keep?

    Macrium Reflect Free adds a second Recovery partition when I restore-computer-mgmt2.jpg

    Cheers,

    Flex
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  2. dalchina's Avatar
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    Win 10 Pro (1903)
       #2

    To determine the recovery partition in use:
    Macrium Reflect Free adds a second Recovery partition when I restore-1.png

    I've never heard of MR adding a partition. Are you sure it didn't already exist?
    499Mb looks a little small these days.

    You can delete the partition not in use- indeed you could delete both- but you would lose the ability to boot to advanced startup options including Safe Mode, and automated startup repair.

    It might be interesting to examine the creation date of files within the recovery partitions using the explore feature of a 3rd party partition manager.
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  3. Posts : 30
    Windows 10 Pro (Version 20H2, Build 19042.867 )
    Thread Starter
       #3

    @dalchina
    Thanks for your advice.

    I've got Windows 10 on both disks. I ran your command reagentc /info when booted into both disk and each time it told me that Partition 3 was the "Windows RE location". In the screenshot above partition 3 is the third one in from the left in both disk 0 and disk 1.

    I booted into Live Ubuntu USB then mounted the 3rd Partition of each disk then did an # ls -Rl to get a list of the time stamps of all the files in each recovery partition as you suggested. The recovery partition (3rd partition) on each disk contains the same files but the timestamps are not identical and I don't know why.

    Here is the contents of the HDD (Partition 3 of Disk 1) from my screenshot above:
    Code:
    .:
    total 0
    -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Apr  9 17:34 HDD-sdb4.txt
    drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Mar 24 05:16 Recovery
    drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Mar 18 01:17 System Volume Information
    
    ./Recovery:
    total 0
    drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Mar 23 21:25 Logs
    drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Mar 18 08:46 WindowsRE
    
    ./Recovery/Logs:
    total 4
    -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1363 Mar 24 05:16 Reload.xml
    
    ./Recovery/WindowsRE:
    total 410292
    -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root   3170304 Dec  7  2019 boot.sdi
    -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root      1118 Mar 18 08:46 ReAgent.xml
    -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 416960919 Nov 19 02:38 Winre.wim
    
    ./System Volume Information:
    total 20
    drwxrwxrwx 1 root root     0 Mar 18 01:02 SPP
    -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20480 Feb 15 22:52 tracking.log
    
    ./System Volume Information/SPP:
    total 0
    drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Mar 19 20:06 OnlineMetadataCache
    
    ./System Volume Information/SPP/OnlineMetadataCache:
    total 0
    Here is the contents of the SSD (Partition 3 of Disk 0) from my screenshot above:
    Code:
    .:
    total 4
    -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root    0 Apr  9 17:34 HDD-sda3.txt
    drwxrwxrwx 1 root root    0 Mar 24 05:16 Recovery
    drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 Mar 20 13:47 System Volume Information
    
    ./Recovery:
    total 0
    drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Mar 23 21:34 Logs
    drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Mar 24 05:16 WindowsRE
    
    ./Recovery/Logs:
    total 4
    -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1363 Mar 24 05:16 Reload.xml
    
    ./Recovery/WindowsRE:
    total 410292
    -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root   3170304 Dec  7  2019 boot.sdi
    -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root      1117 Mar 24 05:16 ReAgent.xml
    -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 416960919 Nov 19 02:38 Winre.wim
    
    ./System Volume Information:
    total 20
    drwxrwxrwx 1 root root     0 Mar 20 13:38 SPP
    -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20480 Feb 15 22:52 tracking.log
    
    ./System Volume Information/SPP:
    total 0
    drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Mar 22 19:58 OnlineMetadataCache
    
    ./System Volume Information/SPP/OnlineMetadataCache:
    total 0
    Yes I am sure that the second Recovery Partition did NOT already exist on the SSD (disk 0) before I used Macrium to make a backup image of it and then restore that image to the HDD (disk 1).

    Here is a screenshot of gparted of the SSD (disk 0): I made the backup from this disk. There is no extra recovery partition at the end.
    Macrium Reflect Free adds a second Recovery partition when I restore-screenshot-ssd-disk-0.png

    Here is a screenshot of gparted of the HDD (disk 1): This is what the restored backup looks like.
    Macrium Reflect Free adds a second Recovery partition when I restore-screenshot-hdd-disk-1.png

    It seems to me that in my version of Macrium Reflect Free, Macrium adds a recovery partition at the end of the disk when restoring a backup image. I don't remember it asking me if I wanted this and I would like to know how to stop this from happening.

    Cheers,

    Flex
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  4. SIW2's Avatar
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    trying to install win10
       #4

    I am using Macrium Relect Free to make backups of my computer.

    I used it to make a system image backup of Windows 10 on an SSD.

    Does macrium have a way of showing you what volumes are in the image?
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  5. Posts : 30
    Windows 10 Pro (Version 20H2, Build 19042.867 )
    Thread Starter
       #5

    Hi SIW2.

    Is this what you mean?
    Macrium Reflect Free adds a second Recovery partition when I restore-macrium-browse-backup-image.jpg

    Disk 1 is the SSD I made the system image backup from. I asked it to include partitions 1,2 and 3. I loaded up the backup image from where it is stored then clicked "Browse Image" and you can see the contents in that screenshot. Just three partitions. When I restore that image to a 1TB drive there is a lot of unallocated space after the recovery drive.

    This is a screen shot from another partition tool called Disk Genius just to show again the partition layout of the 1TB SSD from which I made the backup image copying partitions 1,2 and 3 only.
    Macrium Reflect Free adds a second Recovery partition when I restore-disk-genius-partition-layout-ssd.jpg

    For some reason Macrium seems to put another recovery drive at the end of the disk when it restores the backup image to another disk. Here is another screenshot from Disk Genius showing the partition layout of the 1TB HDD that I restored the backup image to... with extra recovery drive partition at the very end of the disk.
    Macrium Reflect Free adds a second Recovery partition when I restore-disk-genius-partition-layout-hdd.jpg

    I guess I'm just asking "Is this standard behavior from Macrium" or am I doing something wrong?

    Thanks,

    Flex
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  6. SIW2's Avatar
    Posts : 1,669
    trying to install win10
       #6

    It seems the extra volume was not created when making the image, yet was somehow created when restoring it to a blank disk.

    Haven't seen that before, maybe it is a new feature.
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  7. topgundcp's Avatar
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    Linux Mint 20.1 Win10Prox64
       #7

    @flexmcmurphy
    I can assure you that Macrium does not create an extra partition and there's no such thing as a suggested new feature mentioned above and for what purpose ???. What you backup is what get restored so the extra recovery at the end of Disk 1 was already there.

    Try again one more time to restore from the backup to Disk 1 but this time, click on every partition on Disk 1 then click delete existing partition. This will make Disk 1 completely empty. Note that at this point, nothing is changed on Disk 1 until you click Next->Finish.
    The new restore will be exactly what you backup.

    Macrium Reflect Free adds a second Recovery partition when I restore-ss020.png
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  8. dalchina's Avatar
    Posts : 30,035
    Win 10 Pro (1903)
       #8

    If you do that, I suggest before rebooting Windows you check what partitions are on the disk, just to convince yourself. You should be able to do that with e.g. a live boot disk or Macrium's boot disk.

    You've not stated your Windows build as prompted by the forum, alas; from 2004 MS made a change such that new Win 10 installations would place the Recovery partition after 'C:'. I.e. they've been fiddling in this area. Just wondering if that's at all related, noting the small difference in date between the two recovery partition contents.

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  9. Posts : 30
    Windows 10 Pro (Version 20H2, Build 19042.867 )
    Thread Starter
       #9

    @topgundcp

    I took your advice, did a second restore from the image backup, and can confirm Macrium doesn't add an extra recovery partition. I didn't do that step (delete existing partitions) on the destination disk the first time I restored a backup image and so there was a recovery partition already on the destination disk before the restore happened.

    I was thinking that Macrium might have placed a recovery partition on the destination disk to facilitate booting into a recovery environment if ever needed in the future. I notice from this video that Macrium have a modified Windows Recovery environment to include an option to select Macrium Rescue tools instead of needing to boot into those tools from a USB key.

    @dalchina
    Here are partitions of the two disks viewed in gparted... some differences in file size I supposed is not unexpected. I'm not sure which of the SDD and HDD are /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, I forgot to look at the gparted properties for each disk, but as you can see they both have identical partition layout now.

    /dev/sda
    Macrium Reflect Free adds a second Recovery partition when I restore-screenshot-dev-sda.png

    And /dev/sdb
    Macrium Reflect Free adds a second Recovery partition when I restore-screenshot-dev-sdb.png

    Thank you all!
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  10. Bree's Avatar
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       #10

    flexmcmurphy said:
    ...I notice from this video that Macrium have a modified Windows Recovery environment to include an option to select Macrium Rescue tools instead of needing to boot into those tools from a USB key....

    Yes, you can add the Macrium rescue environment to your boot menu. But when you do that it doesn't create a new partition, or modify the existing recovery partition.

    What it does is place the rescue environment in C:\Boot and add a boot entry to the Windows boot manager to point to it as an alternative OS you can choose at startup.
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