Macrium Reflect backup sessions very slow - since Window 10 upgrade?

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  1. Posts : 162
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    Macrium Reflect backup sessions very slow - since Window 10 upgrade?


    I updated my desktop PC to 2004 on 3rd June. I've since noticed that Reflect sessions are taking much longer.

    PC drive configuration (completely unchanged for months):
    C: (System) Samsung 850 Pro 512GB SSD
    D: (Data) WD 2GB SATA-III 7,200 RPM drive
    E: (backup) WD My Passport 2GB USB3 drive directly connected on USB3 port

    Hard Drive Sentinel reports all 3 drives OK

    Reflect session data:
    1st June
    System differential backup
    9m 14s, created 17Gb file, Read 1.0Gb/s; Write 523.4Mb/s
    Data differential backup
    1m 55s, created 3Gb file, Read 1.2Gb/s; Write 573.5Mb/s

    3rd June (before 2004 upgrade)
    System full backup
    22m 0s, created 78Gb file, Read 1.5Gb/s; Write 601.0Mb/s

    5th June (after 2004 upgrade)
    System differential backup
    16m 17s, created 21Gb file, Read 1.4Gb/s; Write 517.9Mb/s
    Data differential backup
    51m 12s, created 4Gb file, Read 1.6Gb/s; Write 447.7Mb/s

    8th June
    System differential backup
    23m 37s, created 24Gb file, Read 1.4Gb/s; Write 456.1Mb/s
    Data differential backup
    52m 06s, created 4Gb file, Read 1.6Gb/s; Write 427.6Mb/s

    Without giving more historical stats the typical time for a data drive differential backup has been around 2-3 minutes in the past. The last 2 have taken around 20 times longer, yet the read and write speeds are similar.

    Speccy shows no significant read or write errors.

    USB Tree View shows the backup drive running USB3.

    Macrium Reflect is up to date, version 7.2.4942 (UEFI), the same version as for all the Reflect sessions detailed above.
    Any suggestions as to what might be causing this would be appreciated.
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  2. f14tomcat's Avatar
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       #2

    First question would be how did you upgrade to Windows 2004? May seem irrelevant, but with all the known holds and bugs, it is quite relevant.
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  3. Posts : 162
    Win 10 Pro 20H2 (OS Build 19042.867)
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       #3

    I let Windows Update do it. There were no other problems, except the minor ones I usually get with the 6-monthly upgrade,
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  4. f14tomcat's Avatar
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    tpriest said:
    I let Windows Update do it. There were no other problems, except the minor ones I usually get with the 6-monthly upgrade,
    Windows Update after clicking Check for Updates and selecting the Optional update....... just verifying.

    It's good you are doing Macrium backups.

    This is the first instance posted of this type of issue. Suggestion: Restore back to before the update, see if the backup times revert to prior timings. Then, check to see if the 2004 upgrade is still offered to you. If so, do the update again, there is always a chance you got a bad update, it happens. If the backup times again become excessive, go back to 1909. Unless you really need any of the "enhancements" in 2004, stay on 1909 for a while longer. 2004 is buggy right now with a lot of hard holds on it.

    Maybe a short description of what you call the minor problems on upgrade would help.
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  5. Posts : 162
    Win 10 Pro 20H2 (OS Build 19042.867)
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       #5

    "Windows Update after clicking Check for Updates and selecting the Optional update....... just verifying."

    Yes. Indeed it was offering it to me so I said Download. It then went and checked for updates again, re-offered it me so I went for it.

    The minor issues I invariably get are:
    • Epson Scan utility gets removed, quickly re-installed
    • HP Laserjet 1320 loses knowledge of its installed options, in particular Duplex unit
    • Start menu (I use Classic Start Menu) has to be tidied
    • All the old Microsoft games get deleted (Minesweeper, Solitaire, Free Cell, etc.) get removed. I keep an early installation file tucked away

    I think those are all. Nothing major, just a bit of post-update work to keep me awake.


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  6. f14tomcat's Avatar
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    tpriest said:
    "Windows Update after clicking Check for Updates and selecting the Optional update....... just verifying."

    Yes. Indeed it was offering it to me so I said Download. It then went and checked for updates again, re-offered it me so I went for it.

    The minor issues I invariably get are:
    • Epson Scan utility gets removed, quickly re-installed
    • HP Laserjet 1320 loses knowledge of its installed options, in particular Duplex unit
    • Start menu (I use Classic Start Menu) has to be tidied
    • All the old Microsoft games get deleted (Minesweeper, Solitaire, Free Cell, etc.) get removed. I keep an early installation file tucked away

    I think those are all. Nothing major, just a bit of post-update work to keep me awake.

    Nothing serious at all with the "minors", I have a few, too.

    Since it appeared to update without any obvious errors, the revert back and check routine should be tried. I doubt reinstalling Macrium will help, but you can try. If it's a paid version, make sure you have your key available. Deactivate the product key, then uninstall. Get a fresh copy of the installer from their site and install it, using your key.
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  7. Posts : 162
    Win 10 Pro 20H2 (OS Build 19042.867)
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       #7

    I uninstalled and re-installed Reflect. Time for a Data differential was still around 50 minutes.

    Will now revert and see.

    I'll also get my laptop out which I updated to 2004 a couple of days ago and see if that is similarly afflicted.
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  8. Barman58's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 2004 - 19041 - 264 XP/Vista/Win7/Win8.1 in VM for testing
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    Also remember that after every upgrade using the automatic update, there will be a Windows old recovery file added to the System disk, a partition image will thus be considerably larger than before, that could increase backup times, for at least ten days when the recovery file is deleted by windows
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  9. Posts : 162
    Win 10 Pro 20H2 (OS Build 19042.867)
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       #9

    Good point, my Windows.old folder is 29.2GB. The issue in this case is with the Data drive. The System drive backups are OK.
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  10. f14tomcat's Avatar
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    tpriest said:
    I uninstalled and re-installed Reflect. Time for a Data differential was still around 50 minutes.

    Will now revert and see.

    I'll also get my laptop out which I updated to 2004 a couple of days ago and see if that is similarly afflicted.
    Good. I'll wait for what you find.............
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