Macrium Reflect creating full disk image QNAP NAS too slow


  1. Posts : 9
    windows 10 Home Version 1903
       #1

    Macrium Reflect creating full disk image QNAP NAS too slow


    I have always been a big fan of Macrium Reflect and have several images on several USB drives around the place.

    Recently I have purchased a QNAP TS453Be (8G memory) which I am amazed it took me this long to get one. With 4x4TB NAS drives in raid 5 configuration. Very happy with it.

    I have copied all my data from my desktop to my NAS just getting the hang of things, no issues there.

    However when I transferred data that way I had to string a blue CAT 6 cable across the entire house which was not winning any popularity votes from my significant other half. SO I am back to connecting over WIFI which limits me to about 50Mb/s I know. Not ideal but not really much other option at the moment.

    So last night I decided to create a full image backup to a folder on the NAS. After all, I do have roughly 10TB of space, so why not do a lazy image once a month to the NAS?

    So 24 hours later and Macrium Reflect still has 3 hours to go creating a full disk image of my SSD which is a Samsung SSD Pro 1TB. The amount of used data is about 750GB.

    It doesn't take nearly as long to make that image to a USB 3 drive....

    If I do the math I think it goes like this:

    750GB=750000MB
    number of seconds to transfer 750000MB @ 50Mb/s = 15000 seconds = 250 minutes = 4.2 hours.

    I know that maybe a rough calc, but I just can't see how it can be taking this long?

    Has anybody had any experience with creating images over NAS?

    I thought it would be quite good to have another layer of protection before I make some pretty significant changes to my file structure ie. declutter!!!

    Also, I am curious to know:
    1. Does a disk image age on a USB3 drive? I have heard of "bit flop" which is a worry....
    2. If a "bit flop" did occur, does that render the whole image file corrupt?
    3. Is it possible to copy disk image files, which are so large?
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  2. Posts : 2,487
    Windows 10 Home, 64-bit
       #2

    I've copied Macrium disk images without incident.......SSD to HDD, HDD to HDD, internal to internal, internal to external via USB, etc.

    As far as I can see, Windows treats them like any other large file.

    I don't use an NAS.

    My images are circa 25 GB for a circa 40 GB (occupied) disk. Takes about 5 minutes, saved directly to an internal SSD.
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  3. Posts : 525
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    juzzie said:
    750GB=750000MB
    number of seconds to transfer 750000MB @ 50Mb/s = 15000 seconds = 250 minutes = 4.2 hours.
    My calculation is different

    750 GB = 750*1024 = 768000 MB
    50 Mb/s = 50/8 = 6.25 MB/s
    Time to transfer = 122880 s = 2048 min = 34.1 h
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  4. Posts : 1,020
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    Anibor said:
    My calculation is different

    750 GB = 750*1024 = 768000 MB
    50 Mb/s = 50/8 = 6.25 MB/s
    Time to transfer = 122880 s = 2048 min = 34.1 h
    That is more like it.

    I have a Synology Nas box which I have tried backups on. Even on a 1 gig connection, times to move 100gb takes many hrs while 30 to 40 min the same image can be created on a USB 3.0 disk. To me network storage has its place in the storage hierarchy. It certainly isn't near the top 10. But on certain devices, phones, small tablets etc. I backup up everything to the NAS box. But the worse case is normally unter 10gb. Those work fine.

    There is a place for everything today.
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  5. Posts : 119
    Windows 11 Home 64 Bit
       #5

    Hi,

    I have an old NAS DS212+ & it takes approx 25 min to transfer a backup 107GB, 112,704,570 in size @ 30MB/s (MeggaBytes average transfer rate).

    So your about right @ 3.5 to 4.2 hours.
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  6. Posts : 9
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    Thread Starter
       #6

    ignatzatsonic said:
    I've copied Macrium disk images without incident.......SSD to HDD, HDD to HDD, internal to internal, internal to external via USB, etc.

    As far as I can see, Windows treats them like any other large file.
    It sounds like you run pretty lean and mean on your system drive which is something I aspire to one day!

    Does anybody else in here have a experience copying and reusing large disk images? What is the largest image you would think you could copy...?

    I can copy files direct to the NAS from a USB3 drive... Sooooooo....

    What would the experts think would be an upper limit on the size of those files?

    I will give it a go with my system first coming in at a rather hefty 100Gb. That should be squashed to ~ 80GB I suppose.

    My 1TB SSD is split into 4 partitions I think, the 2 main ones are my C: drive system @250GB and data @750GB

    My process will be:

    1. Full disk image macrium reflect C:drive system; 100Gb --> 80Gb to USB3 portable hard drive connected to computer;
    2. Connect USB3 to NAS box;
    3. Copy MR image to NAS box folder;
    4. Mount MR image via the NAS to see if it works.

    (Mind you I am not an MR expert. The most advanced I have gotten is taking a disk image of my original 120GB SSD system hard drive, installing a new 1TB SSD harddrive, then put the MR image on the new SSD and it worker flawlessly. That's why I like it MR: it works!)

    Any flaws in that plan?

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    Lottiemansion said:
    Hi,

    I have an old NAS DS212+ & it takes approx 25 min to transfer a backup 107GB, 112,704,570 in size @ 30MB/s (MeggaBytes average transfer rate).

    So your about right @ 3.5 to 4.2 hours.
    If I understand correctly, you are transferring a 107GB MR image?
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  7. Posts : 119
    Windows 11 Home 64 Bit
       #7

    Yes that is correct, various drive backups copied to NAS for safety, the largest file is 129GB, keeping the original on computer hard drive.
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  8. Posts : 1,020
    Windows 10 Pro 20H2 19042.572
       #8

    juzzie said:
    It sounds like you run pretty lean and mean on your system drive which is something I aspire to one day!

    Does anybody else in here have a experience copying and reusing large disk images? What is the largest image you would think you could copy...?

    I can copy files direct to the NAS from a USB3 drive... Sooooooo....

    What would the experts think would be an upper limit on the size of those files?

    I will give it a go with my system first coming in at a rather hefty 100Gb. That should be squashed to ~ 80GB I suppose.

    My 1TB SSD is split into 4 partitions I think, the 2 main ones are my C: drive system @250GB and data @750GB

    My process will be:

    1. Full disk image macrium reflect C:drive system; 100Gb --> 80Gb to USB3 portable hard drive connected to computer;
    2. Connect USB3 to NAS box;
    3. Copy MR image to NAS box folder;
    4. Mount MR image via the NAS to see if it works.

    (Mind you I am not an MR expert. The most advanced I have gotten is taking a disk image of my original 120GB SSD system hard drive, installing a new 1TB SSD harddrive, then put the MR image on the new SSD and it worker flawlessly. That's why I like it MR: it works!)

    Any flaws in that plan?

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    If I understand correctly, you are transferring a 107GB MR image?
    Yes that procedure works well. I even copy them back to a raid external disk USB 30, which when directly wrote to, is not a speed demon (Writing 2 disks at one time takes time).
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