MR backups suddenly taking twice as long

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  1. Posts : 333
    Windows 10 Home 64bit
       #1

    MR backups suddenly taking twice as long


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    I think MR7 started weirding out around the time of the latest Win10 CU. My C drives (w/ Win10) is taking exponentially longer to merge the previous incremental with the 00-00 mrimg file.

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    Here's the old time it used to take to finish about a week ago vs. the newer time...

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    Comparatively, here's the D drive (data), older vs. newer time...

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    No real change. That's why I think it has to do with the OS CU. No major changes to my PC in quite a long time.
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  2. Posts : 43,003
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #2

    Is there any change in boot time? Anything to indicate your disk performance has changed?

    And are you consistently using a USB3 connection to an external disk, for example, if that's where your image files are stored?
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  3. Posts : 333
    Windows 10 Home 64bit
    Thread Starter
       #3

    Boot time & performance are all doing fine, no changes.
    Always been using the same USB3.1 port to my Seagate Backup Plus Drive.

    Though I've never had any warning within MR7, maybe I have a kinda messed-up incremental within my batch. ?
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  4. Posts : 43,003
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #4

    Maybe- you could try creating a differential image- that would be independent of your incrementals. And presumably you are using a USB3 cable..

    Also run a SMART check on all relevant disks.
    Hard Disk Sentinel (trial) is way better than any others I know, otherwise Crystal Diskinfo e.g.

    Watch your transfer rate when the backup is in progress- is that typical of what you see? (It appears higher than you might expect).
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  5. Posts : 31,675
    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #5

    Corona said:
    I think MR7 started weirding out around the time of the latest Win10 CU. My C drives (w/ Win10) is taking exponentially longer to merge the previous incremental with the 00-00 mrimg file. ..

    Have you looked at the sizes of the incrementals? They may be large and that's what's taking the time.

    One thing that can dramatically increase the size of the next incremental is if your drive is an HDD and it has been defragmented since the last image. The files won't have changed, but the sectors they occupy will be different. I keep scheduled optimisation turned off in 'Defragment and optimise drives'.
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  6. Posts : 11,247
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
       #6

    Hi there
    The more stuff differentials have to merge etc it's going to take longer --simply there's more work to do.

    What perhaps you should do now is take a complete new backup -- I wouldn't in any case recommend more than around 3 levels of differential backups anyway e.g current, last one and one before that -- depending on data volumes and amount of changes.

    @Bree -- modern drives --HDD's don't need defragging -- I haven't bothered with defragging ever since Windows Millenium !! never found it made any difference whatsoever to the performance of the HDD's and those defragging routines usually run FOR HOURS. -- if you've got some largish files spread over disk use something like treesize to analyse -- copy files to new / temp device, delete old files and then copy back.

    I've also found absolute quickest way of re-organising a volume if I need to is to copy the files to a Linux disk via any file manager, reformat original HDD and then copy files back. As I've got 2 NAS systems running 24/7 it's easy enough to do -- even for large HDD's can run the job overnight if necessary. Use dd to copy the disk --saves messing around with file systems but don't dd it back otherwise you'll have the identical disk image -- copy files back via file manager or whatever though.

    On Windows you can still image the HDD with Macrium, mount the image and then you can browse it and restore files via file explorer -- reformat target disk first of course.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. Posts : 43,003
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #7

    stuff differentials have to merge
    Umm,, sorry, I think you meant incrementals?

    around the time of the latest Win10 CU.
    I missed this point.. is your base image before the update/upgrade?
    If so, you're now having to deal with a major difference between the base build and incrementals related to one build, and what you have now.

    After an upgrade, create a new base image and start the cycle again.
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  8. Posts : 333
    Windows 10 Home 64bit
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       #8

    dalchina said:
    Umm,, sorry, I think you meant incrementals?
    Yes, sorry about that.
    dalchina said:
    After an upgrade, create a new base image and start the cycle again.
    That's what I needed to hear. Makes total sense.

    I have each drive (C & D) set up for 'Forever Incremental'. For each drive, after 30 Incrementals are created they glom together to become a Full. And then each new Incremental eventually merges with the Full.
    What I'm realizing now after your post (and the other guys before you) is that before any new CU takes a hefty dump on my PC, I should save the last Full (of C drive...my OS drive) and start a new incremental backup task for that drive.

    Should I delete all my other older previous Fulls of that C drive? If I save any on that backup drive, in order to keep MR from incorporating them into any new backup job, maybe I should rename them somehow? What do you guys do in this case?

    - - - Updated - - -

    Jimbo and Bree, my C drive is an SSD. I never defrag it. I haven't defragged anything since XP. The backing up of a few older Fulls is an excellent idea. But do I save on my target drive, or create a (shudder) ISO??
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  9. Posts : 2,554
    Windows 10 Pro 64bit
       #9

    The only time I’ve seen this is when I hadn’t deleted the Windows.old folder after an update. You might want to check that.
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  10. Posts : 333
    Windows 10 Home 64bit
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       #10

    Bastet said:
    The only time I’ve seen this is when I hadn’t deleted the Windows.old folder after an update. You might want to check that.
    I just did. Not there. But that would've made total sense.
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