Question about Macrium Reflect Rescue Media

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  1.    #11

    Thanks Bree and all who have replied. My question has been more than adequately answered. I have tested both options to assure I can boot from either source and have made backups on an external hard drive. Again, much thanks to all.

    Mark
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  2. Dugly's Avatar
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       #12

    I use the paid home version and have both the Windows PE boot option installed and a USB recovery drive. I BU an image to a WD external drive, as well as a folder/file BU. I have recovered using the PE boot which then uses the WD drive to restore the laptop. It works flawlessly.
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  3.    #13

    Dugly said: View Post
    I use the paid home version and have both the Windows PE boot option installed and a USB recovery drive. I BU an image to a WD external drive, as well as a folder/file BU. I have recovered using the PE boot which then uses the WD drive to restore the laptop. It works flawlessly.
    I'm sorry but I don't understand what you're talking about.
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  4. Compumind's Avatar
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    Bree said: View Post
    I have both. The boot menu option boots up far faster than a usb, but the usb is a useful backstop in case the drive fails badly and you can't boot from it.
    Having the updated and tested USB stick ready-to-go is essential.

    FWIW.
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  5.    #15

    yu gnomi said: View Post
    I am pretty sure you still need the USB key handy. Selecting the Boot menu option simply tells your computer what boot media to look for, you still have to have said media plugged in for it to find.
    Nope - definitely wrong.

    The boot menu option fires up recovery mode even without a usb stick. Usb stick is only needed if hard drive fails or is badly corrupted
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  6. ThrashZone's Avatar
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       #16

    Hi,
    Sooner or later one will need the winpe media either cd or flash
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  7.    #17

    ThrashZone said: View Post
    Hi,
    Sooner or later one will need the winpe media either cd or flash
    Nope - I use the winre media ;-).
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       #18

    Mcd73165 said: View Post
    I'm sorry but I don't understand what you're talking about.
    No problem. So, to clarify: when you are setting-up Macrium, there are some options. You will be advised (by the software) that when you set-up the Windows PE boot on your hard drive that you must (like should with an exclamation mark) also set-up a recovery media such as a USB. Essentially, this is a back-up for the PE environment on your hard drive. As another poster said, you would use this to boot-up your computer in the event the hard drive is corrupted.

    In the meantime, after you did this initial installation, you are backing-up your hard drive to another drive, either on a schedule or ad-hoc. In my case, I'm backing up an image to a 2 TB Western Digital (WD) drive. BTW, you should always back up complete images, not incremental.

    So, something goes wrong and you need to recover. There are two likely scenarios:
    a) your hard drive has failed and won't boot from BIOS/UEFI. In this case you would boot from the PE environment on the USB stick. This will load a limited Windows system and at least allow you to assess what is wrong. If you can get to this stage you probably have a corrupted hard drive. There may be other issues, but, for example, if you have a toasted mother board you wouldn't be able to get to this point at all.
    b) your windows environment is corrupted due to anything from virus/malware to bad drivers to whatever, but Windows doesn't work. In this case, you will attach your back-up drive to your computer, and when you boot-up you will select the Macrium PE environment on your existing hard drive. Macrium will then install an image from your back-up drive (you select which one, likely the most recent), the computer restarts and life is fine again. Oddly enough, in my experience, the restore actually takes less time than backing-up an image.

    I would also like to take the opportunity to advise you not to count on Windows restore points. This is why:
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...nstall-updates

    Also, I have not had any success with Windows Back Up and Restore using incremental back-ups. The reason Macrium Reflect is so popular is because it works.

    Finally, if you have Windows Bitlocker encryption enabled, make sure you have the recovery code backed up in as many places as you can think of. There are other threads on this subject so I'll leave it at that.

    I hope this helps.
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  9.    #19

    Dugly said: View Post
    No problem. So, to clarify: when you are setting-up Macrium, there are some options. You will be advised (by the software) that when you set-up the Windows PE boot on your hard drive that you must (like should with an exclamation mark) also set-up a recovery media such as a USB. Essentially, this is a back-up for the PE environment on your hard drive. As another poster said, you would use this to boot-up your computer in the event the hard drive is corrupted.

    In the meantime, after you did this initial installation, you are backing-up your hard drive to another drive, either on a schedule or ad-hoc. In my case, I'm backing up an image to a 2 TB Western Digital (WD) drive. BTW, you should always back up complete images, not incremental.

    So, something goes wrong and you need to recover. There are two likely scenarios:
    a) your hard drive has failed and won't boot from BIOS/UEFI. In this case you would boot from the PE environment on the USB stick. This will load a limited Windows system and at least allow you to assess what is wrong. If you can get to this stage you probably have a corrupted hard drive. There may be other issues, but, for example, if you have a toasted mother board you wouldn't be able to get to this point at all.
    b) your windows environment is corrupted due to anything from virus/malware to bad drivers to whatever, but Windows doesn't work. In this case, you will attach your back-up drive to your computer, and when you boot-up you will select the Macrium PE environment on your existing hard drive. Macrium will then install an image from your back-up drive (you select which one, likely the most recent), the computer restarts and life is fine again. Oddly enough, in my experience, the restore actually takes less time than backing-up an image.

    I would also like to take the opportunity to advise you not to count on Windows restore points. This is why:
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...nstall-updates

    Also, I have not had any success with Windows Back Up and Restore using incremental back-ups. The reason Macrium Reflect is so popular is because it works.

    Finally, if you have Windows Bitlocker encryption enabled, make sure you have the recovery code backed up in as many places as you can think of. There are other threads on this subject so I'll leave it at that.

    I hope this helps.
    Thanks for the explanation! I have the free version of Macrium so I can only make differential backups (after making a full backup of course). I have found out that system restore is not reliable at least with Windows 10. Again, much appreciation for your detailed explanation.
    Mark
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  10.    #20

    Bree said: View Post
    Yes, you can boot from the rescue media usb and have Macrium running so that you can do a restore. It will be identical to what you see if you choose Macrium on the boot menu. Either can be used to restore a Macrium image. For reassurance, you should test that you can boot from each.





    That is incorrect. When you add Macrium to the boot menu it creates a C:\Boot folder and copies the rescue media boot files there. When you select Macrium on the boot menu it boots from the C:\Boot folder.

    The rescue media usb is handy if your hard drive is so corrupt you can't boot from it at all. If you can boot from the Macrium boot menu option you can use it to restore an image to the hard drive. If you can't then use the USB.
    This is why a usb rescue disk is mandatory.....if the BCD Store where to become corrupt, then the boot entry to boot to the Macrium Reflect Recovery entry would not be available to select This why you should use bcdedit to backup/export your bcd store to that usb or another disk on your system so it can be recovered/imported with bcdedit if need be. hth

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    Everything you might want to know about Macrium Reflect Rescue Media

    Creating rescue media - KnowledgeBase v7.2 - Macrium Reflect Knowledgebase - KnowledgeBase v7.2 - Macrium Reflect Knowledgebase

    it doesn't show it but on the latest version of Macrium you can create a bootable partition on any usb external disk attached to your system and it will create a boot entry to that partition .
    Last edited by shockwaveriderz; 4 Weeks Ago at 23:40. Reason: Update
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