Macrium and Optane

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  1. Posts : 512
    Windows 10 Version 1909 (Build 18363.815
       #21

    dalchina said:
    Confusion persists here:
    Forums

    Whilst this suggests success restoring with Optane driver in an Acronis boot disk:
    Restoring Intel Optane + HDD to a new drive in ATI 2016 | Acronis Forum



    Yet I can see what the Macrium guy is getting at- the memory is just a cache- and its presence does not influence the content of the HDD.

    I'd suggest an experiment or two is in order. For example, can you create an image when normally booted, normally functioning Optane, and then mount that image and explore it successfully?

    Then try restoring it, both in normal mode (assuming data disk only) and using the boot disk.
    OK, I restored it from from normal mode just fine. But it would not restore using boot disk - I just tried it and found out to my dismay. Luckily I had a Windows restore point, which did work. So now I know. I'm not particularly happy with this setup, but it's my fault for not checking further before buying!
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  2. Posts : 920
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       #22

    Did you use a Macrium boot disk?
    What do you mean by "restored it in normal mode".
    Did the boot disk fail to boot? Is it UEFI compatible or does your system not use UEFI.
    On my system I used a Macrium boot disk created in Windows to boot (the only driver it copies to the boot USB is the wireless driver), then restored an image without issue.
    But the image was made and restored after disabling Optane using the Optane utility first and done using the Macrium boot disk interface.
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  3. Posts : 512
    Windows 10 Version 1909 (Build 18363.815
       #23

    Pejole2165 said:
    Did you use a Macrium boot disk?
    What do you mean by "restored it in normal mode".
    Did the boot disk fail to boot? Is it UEFI compatible or does your system not use UEFI.

    On my system I used a Macrium boot disk created in Windows to boot (the only driver it copies to the boot USB is the wireless driver), then restored an image without issue.
    But the image was made and restored after disabling Optane using the Optane utility first and done using the Macrium boot disk interface.
    Yes,I used a Macrium Boot Disk
    Normal mode=I opened Macrium Reflect and made a restore from the last backup I had made.
    Yes, my system Bios Mode is UEFI
    Yes, the boot disk failed to boot
    In each of the above, Optane was enabled.

    My image and boot disk were both made and restored with Optane enabled - guess that is the problem. What a pain to disable and enable Optane each time you make a backup! Did you disable the Optane before making the boot disk also? One other question, do you have to disable and enable Optane in RST and Bios both?
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  4. Posts : 920
    Windows 10 Pro
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       #24

    The Macrium boot disk I made using Macriums built in utility, within Windows, Optane was enabled at the time. For creating a boot disk Optane status is unimportant as no drivers will be placed on the boot disk for Optane use as it (Optane)doesn't work outside of Windows.
    I have only disabled/enabled Optane using the utility in the system tray.
    The BIOS setting doesn't seem to affect the system disk in any major way if at all. In my BIOS the RST driver is version 16xxxx but in Windows it is version 17xxxx. I'm still not clear on how the BIOS plays a part in all this.
    I have successfully booted my PC with a Windows 10 USB made with the Media Creation Tool, a self made utility disk I made (with the help of Rufus) and the Macrium boot USB.
    My system is an Acer Predator desktop with UEFI and secure boot on.
    Im getting the feeling that Macrium (and other backup app's) are useful for file and folder backups regardless of Optane's status but when it comes to imaging the system disk Optane is best turned off during imaging/restore.
    It seems that the RST and Optane driver setup may physically move needed Windows files to the cache (or at least change the environmental paths) and since imaging software wont see the cache drive when you image with Optane active you are missing those files/ and optane's settings resulting in a corrupt image.
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  5. Posts : 512
    Windows 10 Version 1909 (Build 18363.815
       #25

    Thanks for your detailed and patient answer, I really appreciate it. I will try again, disabling Optane before the backup and re-enabling it after. You have been a great help. Thanks!
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  6. Posts : 920
    Windows 10 Pro
    Thread Starter
       #26

    Not sure I'm much help really, all I seem to have done is create an issue for you, or at the least pointed out a potential issue.
    But if your backup system (whichever one you use) doesn't work as intended best you know before you need it so you can work it out.
    As far as your boot disk not working, maybe disabling secure boot might work. On my system secure boot is on and doesn't seem to cause an issue, but on your system it could be different. Also are you using the Advanced option in Macrium when creating the boot disk to use the Win10 PE?
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  7. Posts : 512
    Windows 10 Version 1909 (Build 18363.815
       #27

    Pejole, yes I am using Advanced option in Macrium when creating the boot disk to use the Win10 PE. It appears what my plan should be is:

    1. Make Macrium Rescue disk, using Advanced option, Windows 10 PE.
    2. Continue making scheduled images with Macrium for use when I need them via Windows normal boot.
    3. On a regular basis (probably monthly) disable Optane via RST in taskbar and make an image with Macrium. Then enable Optane again. For use with Macrium Rescue disk boot.
    4. Test each ( Windows boot and Macrium Rescue disk boot) to insure Macrium images work.

    If that works, it isn't all that complicated, and would be well worth the effort. Thanks again for all your input and help.






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  8. Posts : 920
    Windows 10 Pro
    Thread Starter
       #28

    Your very welcome. Hopefully anyone else facing these issue's may glean some useful info from our exchanges.
    As to your proposed method, that is basically what I do.
    The Optane system works extremely well for its intended purpose, but obviously until the backup software is updated to take it into account or at least throw a warning about potential issues some extra preparation is needed on our part.
    Hope you manage to get it all sorted, and thankyou for taking part in this conversation.
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  9. Posts : 512
    Windows 10 Version 1909 (Build 18363.815
       #29

    At last my Macrium is working fine....not sure why, but I did update RST from 16 to 17. Other than that, I didn't do anything different that I am aware of.
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