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  1. Posts : 78
    windows10 home v1803 OS build 17134.286
       09 Jun 2018 #1

    Question re MR7 Rescue Media and System Image


    Can the windows 10 Rescue Media created by Macrium be on the same USB thumb drive as the system image. I've got them on two separate usb's. The rescue media is on a usb formatted fat32. The full system image is on a usb formatted ntfs. My question is can both items be on the same usb? If so, does it matter how the usb is formatted. I checked the system backup image and it includes the ESP partition in fat32 and the c drive partition in nfts. If you could have both on the same usb, should the rescue media partition be the 'active' partition? Any advice would be much appreciated.
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  2. storageman's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro 1803 17134.137
       09 Jun 2018 #2

    I found this software that states it will build a boot drive partition and create a data partition behind it. I have never tried it.

    Link -> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/


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  3.    09 Jun 2018 #3

    RichardC said: View Post
    Can the windows 10 Rescue Media created by Macrium be on the same USB thumb drive as the system image. I've got them on two separate usb's. The rescue media is on a usb formatted fat32. The full system image is on a usb formatted ntfs. My question is can both items be on the same usb? If so, does it matter how the usb is formatted. I checked the system backup image and it includes the ESP partition in fat32 and the c drive partition in nfts. If you could have both on the same usb, should the rescue media partition be the 'active' partition? Any advice would be much appreciated.
    Yes - you can have both on same drive but if you do that use option to split image into a maximum of 4GB sections as partition needs to be fat32.

    You can mark the fat32 partition as active - not needed if a uefi pc.

    You can partition the usb drive now and have second partition as ntfs if you prefer.
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  4.    09 Jun 2018 #4

    storageman said: View Post
    I found this software that states it will build a boot drive partition and create a data partition behind it. I have never tried it.

    Link -> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/


    That is no longer needed - windows 10 now supports multiple partitions on a flash drive.
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  5. Posts : 78
    windows10 home v1803 OS build 17134.286
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       09 Jun 2018 #5

    thanks for the info cereberus. I believe you can partition a flash drive into multiple partitions. I think it issues different letters to the different partitions like it does for a normal hard drive. That way I can have one fat32 and the other ntfs. My concern is whether MR7 will read this dual partition and let me image a whole disk as one file. Rather than the whole flash drive fat32 with a whole lot of 4gb files. Any thoughts?
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    windows10 home v1803 OS build 17134.286
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       09 Jun 2018 #6

    Just a follow up. I successfully partitioned a 125gb flash drive with a 16gb partition in fat32 and a 99gb partition in ntfs. Windows recognized the flash drive as a disk with two drives: an e drive and a f drive respectively. Unfortunately MR7 would no recognize it as such. I could create a bootable rescue media in the e drive portion, but it wouldn't recognize the f drive.
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  7. Bree's Avatar
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    10 Home x64 (1809) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       09 Jun 2018 #7

    RichardC said: View Post
    I successfully partitioned a 125gb flash drive with a 16gb partition in fat32...
    That's a remarkably generous size @RichardC, the Macrium PE10 environment is only a few hundred MB. My 32-bit one is 195MB, 64-bit can't be much more...

    ... and a 99gb partition in ntfs. Windows recognized the flash drive as a disk with two drives ... Unfortunately MR7 would no recognize it as such.
    Macrium run from within Windows will be able to see the ntfs partiton because it is running in a windows environment that supports multiple partitions on a usb flash drive.

    Unfortunately when booted from the Macrium PE it's running in a much older version of Windows that can only see the first partition on a usb. Open the command prompt and you will see that it's using build 10240, the original RTM from 2015.

    If you can only see the first partition on the usb then the obvious solution is to put the large ntfs partition as the first partition, with the Fat32 boot partition at the end. You'll still be able to boot from it, even though it won't be accessible through a drive letter after you've booted from it. As you won't be able to see it, you might as well make it a lot smaller, say 1GB or less - just big enough to hold the Macrium PE.

    I've tested that and it works.

    PS: be prepared to wait an inordinately long time at the start of imaging while Macrium tests the disk write speed. The actual writing of the image (when it eventually starts) is a reasonable speed though.
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  8.    09 Jun 2018 #8

    Bree said: View Post
    That's a remarkably generous size @RichardC, the Macrium PE10 environment is only a few hundred MB. My 32-bit one is 195MB, 64-bit can't be much more...



    Macrium run from within Windows will be able to see the ntfs partiton because it is running in a windows environment that supports multiple partitions on a usb flash drive.

    Unfortunately when booted from the Macrium PE it's running in a much older version of Windows that can only see the first partition on a usb. Open the command prompt and you will see that it's using build 10240, the original RTM from 2015.

    If you can only see the first partition on the usb then the obvious solution is to put the large ntfs partition as the first partition, with the Fat32 boot partition at the end. You'll still be able to boot from it, even though it won't be accessible through a drive letter after you've booted from it. As you won't be able to see it, you might as well make it a lot smaller, say 1GB or less - just big enough to hold the Macrium PE.

    I've tested that and it works.

    PS: be prepared to wait an inordinately long time at the start of imaging while Macrium tests the disk write speed. The actual writing of the image (when it eventually starts) is a reasonable speed though.
    Clever solution!

    I can see that working if a UEFI pc but would it work as legacy bios - probably I think provided the fat32 partition is marked active?


    In fact, thinking about it, do you even need a fat32 partition in legacy bios as legacy bios could boot from an ntfs partition but UEFI cannot (unless bios permits that but not common)?

    Something to test tomorrow :-D.
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  9. Bree's Avatar
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       09 Jun 2018 #9

    cereberus said: View Post
    Clever solution!

    I can see that working if a UEFI pc but would it work as legacy bios - probably I think proviided the fat32 partition is marked active


    In fact, thinking about it, do you even need a fat32 partition in legacy bios as legacy bios could boot from an ntfs parttition but UEFI cannot (unless bios permits that but not common)?

    Something to test tomorrow :-D.
    I actually tested it on a legacy bios system. Yes, I marked the small Fat32 second partition as active. I can't try it as an ntfs partition at the moment as it's still saving an image Even if a legacy bios can boot from ntfs, it would be best to stick to a second Fat32 partition to make the usb 'universal'.
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  10.    09 Jun 2018 #10

    Bree said: View Post
    I actually tested it on a legacy bios system. Yes, I marked the small Fat32 second partition as active. I can't try it as a small ntfs partition at the moment as it's still saving an image Even if a legacy bios can boot from ntfs, it would be best to stick to Fat32 to make the usb 'universal'.
    Yeah. How did you create MR part. I remember trying something like this a while back and the Macrium installer got confused. I actually manually copied files from iso but run into same issue of not seeing ntfs. Never occurred to me to put ntfs first!
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