Macrium Free - absolutely no reason to avoid taking backups 4 Mins !

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  1. slicendice's Avatar
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       30 Mar 2018 #11

    @jimbo45

    You are correct! There is absolutely no excuse today to not keep a backup of everything. The way the backups are taken does really not matter, not even the speed(within certain limits) as long as users has a way to restore the system easily into it's original(latest) state after a hardware or software disaster.
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  2.    30 Mar 2018 #12

    I also agree; my point was perhaps making OS and data backups should be considered separately.
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  3. f14tomcat's Avatar
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       30 Mar 2018 #13

    For the average user, probably 90%+ out there, they just want an "app" (easier to speak in SmartPhone-Ese), to save their "stuff". They usually don't know or care about OS's and data partitions and custom images and all that. They just want it to work. Weekly full backups (software of your choice, as long as it's Macrium ). Even with the slowest machine and the slowest Sata and a spinner, there's not anyone out there who doesn't have a half-hour, 45 minutes, on some day of the week to let it cook while they are doing something else.

    Average Joe, keep it simple, show them how to schedule, what to do, "make" them test it .......

    There are 0 reasons for not doing a backup on some regular basis.
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  4.    30 Mar 2018 #14

    Takes me 3 or 4 minutes per PC to backup my System disks which do not include any data which I keep on separate drives, data from those drives is backed up using a file sync program, so only changes are mirrored in the backups, after the initial first backup it just takes a few minutes. Actually I have two backup drives, both 4TB drives so I do actually backup the backups as well.
    OS I backup weekly or after some major event such as before and after a cumulative update, I just keep 3 Macrium backups.
    These days it's pretty painless to do regular backups, not like it used to be waiting for hours for a tape backup to complete! Only ever needed to use Macrium to restore once due to a disk failure, was up and running in a few minutes after replacing the SSD, a lot less painful than reinstalling everything.
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  5. Clintlgm's Avatar
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       30 Mar 2018 #15

    lx07 said: View Post
    Hmmm. If this latest insider build is the baseline I'll clean install it. It will take me probably a day to get it how I like (not working on it full time of course). Then I'll put it on my PCs.



    My point was it takes more than the 4 minutes backup of last years OS. That is useless as it keeps changing. Each 6 months I have to fiddle with my post install script.

    Some people will probably start going on about how Linux is better and more secure than Windows (and the networking works of course - their normal bug-bear) and then I'll give up anyway.

    I use both Linux and Windows but this is a Windows forum and I would rather stick to Windows stuff here.

    You would have to have very few saved photos if you think you can back everything up in 4 minutes and saying backing up your data without an OS to read it is (putting it mildy) silly.
    Well personally, daily backups take none of my time they all run automatically as scheduled. they also automatically delete older versions so my back up drives never get too full. Any screw up in my OS, I can restore a Partition back up of C: in less than 10 minutes and not have to reconfigure anything. Clean Installing for a simple OS screw up is crazy in this day and age especially if you actually use your computers for many things including work.
    My Data files are stored separately. I have a folder that contains the files I use every day I name it important files this gets backed up real time. My long-term stored data also gets backed up separately and of course, it takes longer but not much since incremental only back up changed files. I would find a clean install a total waste of a lot of my valuable time in almost every case. Back up take up none of my daily time since they are scheduled items running themselves.
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  6.    30 Mar 2018 #16

    lx07 said: View Post
    I also agree; my point was perhaps making OS and data backups should be considered separately.
    I totally agree. Data can be backed up by many ways ranging from simple copying in file explorer, onedrive/google etc, file history backup, or one of dozens of 3rd party apps, often automatically in background.

    It makes sense to keep os+programs drive lean and mean.

    I use a pragmatic strategy ie. backup OS drive with Macrium once a week (or before/after major build upgrade), backup critical data (photos, word/excel etc.) continuously to cloud, and back up rest of non critical data (videos mostly), once a month (just using file explorer), acccepting if drive fails I may need to download any videos again not backed up but I have fast broadband so no big deal.

    In the end, there is no right or wrong answer - a person should devise a strategy that suits them. One thing is for sure, the only WRONG thing is not to backup critical data by any means appropriate.
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  7.    30 Mar 2018 #17

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    There are 0 reasons for not doing a backup on some regular basis.
    I suppose I have to try to answer this as I started and now wished I had not.

    There are reasons. The most obvious I can think of is security. If you make a backup from any FDE will write in plain.

    You could argue (and indeed I would) that if you encrypted your laptop with bitlocker (for example) and then backed up your laptop with Macrium (for example) and it didn't cross your mind that your Macrium backup would be open for all to see then this is a problem.

    But perhaps not.

    Encryption is important (essential really) and you should consider if and how your backups are encrypted.

    That doesn't mean you shouldn't make a backup - just think about it. Is it encrypted? Where is it? And so on.

    Perhaps there is another reason not to do a backup but off the top of my head I can't think of one. I will think it over.
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  8.    31 Mar 2018 #18

    Hi there.

    Question : If one stores backup OFF Computer and off Cloud - why in the world would you need to worry about security or encryption.

    If data is accessible on the Internet by any manner then that's another issue but if your backups are stored OFFLINE then unless these are stolen / house burns down -- in which case you'd have other more important things to worry about than computer data there's no reason to encrypt anything -- and saves any problems if stuff needs to be restored on different computers.

    Things like Bitlocker are an abomination for an average home user -- even for not so an average home user. !!

    Many times I've seen people not able to recover data encrypted with bitlocker -- the only practical use of that system seems to me is that if a company laptop is lost or stolen the data on it is useless to the "perp" or whoever is using the lost / stolen computer. Why you would even THINK of using that type of system on a home PC is beyond me -- I doubt if the average hacker is interested in your music / videos downloaded from some torrent site etc or even obtained via iTunes / Spotify etc.

    Encryption just adds unnecessary complication to a typical users data - especially if you are simply backing up music files etc.

    If it's work related stuff being stored on other peoples servers / public cloud servers then another issue -- but I assume most people here aren't working for CIA, MOSSAD etc. !!!!

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9. f14tomcat's Avatar
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       31 Mar 2018 #19

    lx07 said: View Post
    I suppose I have to try to answer this as I started and now wished I had not.

    There are reasons. The most obvious I can think of is security. If you make a backup from any FDE will write in plain.

    You could argue (and indeed I would) that if you encrypted your laptop with bitlocker (for example) and then backed up your laptop with Macrium (for example) and it didn't cross your mind that your Macrium backup would be open for all to see then this is a problem.

    But perhaps not.

    Encryption is important (essential really) and you should consider if and how your backups are encrypted.

    That doesn't mean you shouldn't make a backup - just think about it. Is it encrypted? Where is it? And so on.

    Perhaps there is another reason not to do a backup but off the top of my head I can't think of one. I will think it over.
    I'll have to admit I do not know what an FDE means. But that aside, my backup(s) are kept on a removable external drive and stored in a fireproof safe. I do not cloud backup anything. I still assert there are 0 reasons to not do backups.
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       31 Mar 2018 #20

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    I'll have to admit I do not know what an FDE means. But that aside, my backup(s) are kept on a removable external drive and stored in a fireproof safe. I do not cloud backup anything. I still assert there are 0 reasons to not do backups.
    Full-disk encryption (FDE) is encryption at the hardware level. FDE works by automatically converting data on a hard drive into a form that cannot be understood by anyone who doesn’t have the key to “undo” the conversion.
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