Windows 10: Windows own recovery tools doesn't work, need a better solution Solved

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  1. Posts : 250
    trying to install win10
       19 Jan 2018 #21

    Unless you can provide a solution?
    By the way, it is a Lenovo Thinkpad, I5 processor 8Gb, running Windows 7.
    Sure, Aomei is included in my boot media.

    17514x64-v5.iso
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  2.    19 Jan 2018 #22

    SIW2 said: View Post
    Sure, Aomei is included in my boot media.
    17514x64-v5.iso
    That's a 360MB file! Is one of the many folders on that iso the AOMEI recovery app? If so, already have it but it will not boot my computer.

    OK, Sorry. I tried my AOMEI boot USB again. It initially presents a blank screen and nothing seems to be happening. Finally, after quite some time we get the Windows logo and rotating dots. And then a Desktop that contains AOMEI along with 8 utilities.

    I made backups of system disk as well as separate data disk that are installed in my Lenovo. I was able to navigate to those. However, without a spare blank hard drive or two, I have no way to test if the recovery will work.
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  3.    19 Jan 2018 #23

    I just made a backup with aomei, wiped my ssd, and used it to recover my computer again.

    It works great. So if windows should, for any reason, create a problem that prevents your pc from starting, you can simply wipe your ssd and use aomei to get your pc working again at its peak perfomance with a few clicks.

    This is a great program so im going to keep it.

    dalchina said: View Post
    Aomei like all the others is capable of generating disk image sets- a base image + incremental or differential images (whic are smaller and faster and depend on the base image + all preceding incrementals or the base image + 1 differential image (differences between the point at which the differential image was created and the base image).
    Sorry but i dont understand what you are talking about, which is exactly why i wanted to avoid macrium. I just wanted something simple that works.

    Marking this as solved.
    Last edited by Cerawy; 19 Jan 2018 at 23:02.
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    W10 pro x64 and W8.1 x86
       20 Jan 2018 #24

    This is what dalchina means...

    Your newly created backup is a 'Full' disk image. If you open AOMEI again you will be able to add to that backup as either an Incremental or Differential (that's something for you to look up and understand the differences )

    This shows my full disk image at the top and the subsequent daily images made thereafter. Notice how small each subsequent image is. That is because each reflects only changes that have occurred between each set in the chain. These are incrementals. You can restore to any in the chain.

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    And how they appear in the location used to save them.

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    W10 pro x64 and W8.1 x86
       20 Jan 2018 #25

    agent99 said: View Post
    Cerawy said he/she was going to wipe their SSD after having made the backup. Hopefully a recovery disk had already been made or can be made from another computer. However, in my case the recovery disk would not boot. And AOMEI tell you this might happen, right after you have wasted time downloading and installing it.

    As a result, AOMEI is no use to me. Unless you can provide a solution?

    By the way, it is a Lenovo Thinkpad, I5 processor 8Gb, running Windows 7.
    I created a backup CDR and tested it OK. Normally I always restore from the program itself but agree that bootable media is a good safety net.

    If that fails then you can still recover by simply quickly installing W10 again and reinstalling AOMEI.

    Two more thinks I like about AOMEI,

    1/ Its a very small installation compared to other products.
    2/ It doesn't keep constantly getting updated, something which tbh is a bit of a pain with other products.
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  6.    20 Jan 2018 #26

    Mooly said: View Post
    If that fails then you can still recover by simply quickly installing W10 again and reinstalling AOMEI.
    So you do a clean install, add AOMEI then restore using your backup. This from within the new install of Win10? How does that work? Does AOMEI wipe the new install and replace it with the backup while still running from new install??? Hard to imagine just how it does that.
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    W10 pro x64 and W8.1 x86
       20 Jan 2018 #27

    Yes, it would do just that and wipe the new install.

    When you use any standard backup program from within Windows (not just AOMEI) the program first loads into RAM and then reboots as it automatically starts the restore process. The drive is then totally overwritten with the information contained in the disk image file. The program is loaded into and running all the time from RAM, not the HDD/SSD.
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  8. Posts : 250
    trying to install win10
       20 Jan 2018 #28

    Most imaging programs have an option to start the recovery process from within windows. They will just reboot the machine into their own recovery media. They might use winpe/linux/dos for that.

    In some cases the recovery media cannot be accessed from within windows - e.g. if the bcd recovery sequence is damaged, they might not be able to locate winre.wim on your hard drive. If that happens, they will just prompt you to use your external recovery media. In case you haven't already created external recovery media - some companies have a premade media which you can download. There is a small possibility that the premade recovery media won't be suitable for every machine.


    agent99 said: View Post
    So you do a clean install, add AOMEI then restore using your backup. This from within the new install of Win10? How does that work? Does AOMEI wipe the new install and replace it with the backup while still running from new install??? Hard to imagine just how it does that.
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    trying to install win10
       20 Jan 2018 #29

    The .iso file I linked is bootable recovery media. It can be burned as an image to cd/dvd, or extracted to create a bootable usb using rufus, or similar.

    The cd/usb can then be booted. It is for windows 7 machines and contains windows explorer and numerous repair/recovery tools - Aomei and many others.

    [QUOTE=agent99;1271973]That's a 360MB file! Is one of the many folders on that iso the AOMEI recovery app? /QUOTE]
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  10.    20 Jan 2018 #30

    For now, I decided to go with AOMEI plus normal cloud backup of docs, photos and some settings. This for both internal drives on Lenovo Win7 and for Win10 Toshiba. I do have a spare drive (with broken Win10 on it) with me (I am away from home). Will try restoring Win10 to that using AOMEI and see how it works.

    I downloaded the full AOMEI recovery and installed on USB as well as the basic AOMEI that I put on DVD.
    Last edited by agent99; 20 Jan 2018 at 18:23.
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