Windows 10: If you turn off Real-Time Protection how long before "it turns back on

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  1.    23 Dec 2017 #21

    Jacob Klein said: View Post
    Thank you! Did you find any documentation to support that, or is it just based on personal testing/evidence?

    Jacob
    You are welcome, Jacob. What I wrote is based on personal experience. I dont use antiviruses so when I got my W10 in July, I disabled WD via Settings but noticed that it always turned itself back to on after reboots. Eventually I discovered the tutorial I linked earlier to turn WD off completely.

    I read the reply's you wrote after I posted.. To know for sure if disabling WD temporarily allows you to play the game (I am no gamer), you ll have to test. Sometimes antiviruses can cause conflicts even when they are disabled, more so being semi off which is really the way it would be by disabling WD via Settings. And since you are using WD for protection, just for playing a game, turning WD completely off wouldn't be convenient for you.

    Bo
    Last edited by bo elam; 23 Dec 2017 at 14:16.
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  2.    23 Dec 2017 #22

    cereberus said: View Post
    You cannot debate it because you have no sound or rational basis to support what is bad practice - your only argument being is you have never been infected.

    That is like saying you have crossed road 100 times without looking either way, so it is always safe for anybody.

    Just because you have been lucky is no excuse for dishing out BAD advice.
    Your reply was not for me but I like to comment. :)

    Cereberus, learning security gives you the knowledge for not getting infected. When you learn, not getting infected becomes second nature. You know what you can do and what you cant and you do it by heart. You dont even have to think about nothing. If 9 years ago, I had not taken the steps to move away from the basic security that I knew at that point, I would still be getting infected a couple of times a year. I just wish I had decided sooner to find something better to protect myself than antiviruses. When I decided to quit getting infected, I wasn't thinking about replacing using real time AV but eventually thats what ended up happening. And later, I also stopped using on demand scanners. By nature, it happened. Nothing forced. When you learn is beautiful. You don't waste your time running scans. Before, I used to spend many hours a week doing scans that are now better spend doing what I really like to do when using the internet or the computer. Is a different experience.

    Learning security is like quitting smoking. You cant quit unless you really want to. One day, one infection, my last infection, was the day I said this one is it. I am going to learn, there's got to be something better than traditional antiviruses. And I found it. The best of all is that is really easy to learn. You just have to want to learn. I wont even mention what I do, unless you ask, as that doesnt really matter. To get to the point were you cant get infected anymore, you have to get there on your own. You have to discover it yourself as what I do works for me but might not work for you.

    Bo
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       23 Dec 2017 #23

    Jacob Klein said: View Post
    I have asked Microsoft, in the Feedback Hub item...
    I suspect the true answer is that there's no set time. Probably, like other maintenance tasks, it only kicks in a set time after it detects the PC is idle.

    That would make sense, as the only sensible reason to turn it off is that it interferes with a particular task (like playing your Hearthstone). That way it wouldn't turn on until you're finished.
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  4.    23 Dec 2017 #24

    I run BOINC too, 24/7, on all CPU cores+threads, to do science and serve humanity. My PC is NEVER idle. How does that factor in? :-p

    My point is that:
    So far, we've got: suspicions, guesses, and personal evidence... but no documentation.

    I understand we may never get documentation, but it certainly doesn't hurt to ask... the community, and the source Microsoft.
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       23 Dec 2017 #25

    bo elam said: View Post
    Your reply was not for me but I like to comment. :)

    Cereberus, learning security gives you the knowledge for not getting infected. When you learn, not getting infected becomes second nature. You know what you can do and what you cant and you do it by heart. You dont even have to think about nothing. If 9 years ago, I had not taken the steps to move away from the basic security that I knew at that point, I would still be getting infected a couple of times a year. I just wish I had decided sooner to find something better to protect myself than antiviruses. When I decided to quit getting infected, I wasn't thinking about replacing using real time AV but eventually thats what ended up happening. And later, I also stopped using on demand scanners. By nature, it happened. Nothing forced. When you learn is beautiful. You don't waste your time running scans. Before, I used to spend many hours a week doing scans that are now better spend doing what I really like to do when using the internet or the computer. Is a different experience.

    Learning security is like quitting smoking. You cant quit unless you really want to. One day, one infection, my last infection, was the day I said this one is it. I am going to learn, there's got to be something better than traditional antiviruses. And I found it. The best of all is that is really easy to learn. You just have to want to learn. I wont even mention what I do, unless you ask, as that doesnt really matter. To get to the point were you cant get infected anymore, you have to get there on your own. You have to discover it yourself as what I do works for me but might not work for you. Bo
    Here we have a post from purportedly an expert in security who thinks he knows more about securing W10 than the designers of the operating system.

    M$ should have consulted him before investing billions employing thousands of the brainiest technicians.
    Whose primary aim is security to the best of their ability, for all users while browsing the internet.

    No security package guarantees 100% success ......but some security is better than none.
    I just hope some nave reader is not thinking of taking up his idea.

    His advice borders on lunacy....the only safe way using his idea is to never connect to the internet.
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  6.    23 Dec 2017 #26

    dencal said: View Post
    Here we have a post from purportedly an expert in security who thinks he knows more about securing W10 than the designers of the operating system.

    M$ should have consulted him before investing billions employing thousands of the brainiest technicians.
    Whose primary aim is security to the best of their ability, for all users while browsing the internet.

    No security package guarantees 100% success ......but some security is better than none.
    I just hope some nave reader is not thinking of taking up his idea.

    His advice borders on lunacy....the only safe way using his idea is to never connect to the internet.
    You can believe what you want, even insult me as you just done but making the decision to use better techniques than antiviruses and take an outside the box approach to security to protect my computers has been proven over a long period of time to have been the right decision. You are naive, short sighted, but hopefully, what I wrote it ll click on someone that it is possible to be malware free for life.

    dencal. So you hate even more what I said. I am no computer guy, in fact, I am a dummy user. No expert. But the one thing I know about computers is exactly what we are talking about. Personal security. How to protect your own personal computer. I hate to tell you, is easy to do it, you just don't know it. In my quest to achieve security, I ended up stopping using antivirus but that wasn't the purpose of my quest. It just happen to work out that way. Personally, I recommend WD over all other antiviruses. I do it all the time. But in my personal case, I am safer by not using an AV.

    You said, "but some security is better than none"...Who told you I am not using any security? I didnt. Read what I said. Just because I am not using an AV doesnt mean I am not using any security. My security is a lot better than yours, it just doesnt include scanners.

    Note: you wrote under your icon, "Outside the Box ". I reckon those words sound nice to you but that's all. You forgot what it means to think outside the box. :)

    Bo
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  7.    23 Dec 2017 #27

    bo elam said: View Post
    Your reply was not for me but I like to comment. :)

    Cereberus, learning security gives you the knowledge for not getting infected. When you learn, not getting infected becomes second nature. You know what you can do and what you cant and you do it by heart. You dont even have to think about nothing. If 9 years ago, I had not taken the steps to move away from the basic security that I knew at that point, I would still be getting infected a couple of times a year. I just wish I had decided sooner to find something better to protect myself than antiviruses. When I decided to quit getting infected, I wasn't thinking about replacing using real time AV but eventually thats what ended up happening. And later, I also stopped using on demand scanners. By nature, it happened. Nothing forced. When you learn is beautiful. You don't waste your time running scans. Before, I used to spend many hours a week doing scans that are now better spend doing what I really like to do when using the internet or the computer. Is a different experience.

    Learning security is like quitting smoking. You cant quit unless you really want to. One day, one infection, my last infection, was the day I said this one is it. I am going to learn, there's got to be something better than traditional antiviruses. And I found it. The best of all is that is really easy to learn. You just have to want to learn. I wont even mention what I do, unless you ask, as that doesnt really matter. To get to the point were you cant get infected anymore, you have to get there on your own. You have to discover it yourself as what I do works for me but might not work for you.

    Bo
    I bet I have been using pcs a lot longer than you and frankly I find your reply rather patronising.

    Obviously good practice and common sense are important but turning off automatic protection is still dumb. Always has been and always will be!
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  8.    23 Dec 2017 #28

    Come on guys. Let's get back on-topic please.
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  9.    23 Dec 2017 #29

    cereberus said: View Post
    I bet I have been using pcs a lot longer than you and frankly I find your reply rather patronising.

    Obviously good practice and common sense are important but turning off automatic protection is still dumb. Always has been and always will be!
    Perhaps yes, perhaps not, (how long we used computers, why mention that, it has nothing to do with knowing security), but either way, you are assuming just like the other guy who cant think out of the box. You think your way is the only way.....wrong.

    A big thumb up for your insults, thanks. Good bye. :)

    Bo
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  10.    23 Dec 2017 #30

    Jacob Klein said: View Post
    Come on guys. Let's get back on-topic please.
    You are right, Jacob. I came in here yesterday to answer your question as I know the answer (not to get insulted by short sighted people). So, I am out of here.

    Bo
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