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  1.    22 Apr 2017 #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by elbmek View Post
    My paranoia is on the first Black Sabbath album.
    Love it!
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  2.    23 Apr 2017 #42

    Quote Originally Posted by simrick View Post
    The NSA develop them.
    Hi there

    If the NSA develop them (or "acquire" them by various means - fair or foul) then so can others -- by what "Divine Right of Kings" do people assume that the NSA has the best brains in the universe -- probably a 15 year old Russian Hacker if so inclined could do the same.

    Over many years in my working life I have rarely found that the "Best Brains" (whatever that means these days) rarely graduate towards public service.

    The best way to be safe is not to have anything on your computer these organisations would be interested in and obviously as well use the Internet safely -- and if surfing / using "dubious sites" use tools like VPN and / or TOR etc. Don't open dubious emails, replyour local Windows stuff on a Windows VM.

    Of course another alternative (but not immune against determined hackers) is to use LINUX for Internet surfing and just run your local Windows stuff on a Windows VM where possible.

    Cheers
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  3.    23 Apr 2017 #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    If the NSA develop them (or "acquire" them by various means - fair or foul) then so can others -- by what "Divine Right of Kings" do people assume that the NSA has the best brains in the universe -- probably a 15 year old Russian Hacker if so inclined could do the same.

    Over many years in my working life I have rarely found that the "Best Brains" (whatever that means these days) rarely graduate towards public service.

    The best way to be safe is not to have anything on your computer these organisations would be interested in and obviously as well use the Internet safely -- and if surfing / using "dubious sites" use tools like VPN and / or TOR etc. Don't open dubious emails, replyour local Windows stuff on a Windows VM.

    Of course another alternative (but not immune against determined hackers) is to use LINUX for Internet surfing and just run your local Windows stuff on a Windows VM where possible.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Regardless of "how" the NSA got these tools, the fact remains that they are nation-state-grade hacking tools. This is serious stuff.

    And, you do realize TOR has been breached by them?

    Regardless, safe computer practice, as you say, is always the best.
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  4.    23 Apr 2017 #44
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    If I am not doing anything illegal except voices my opinions, I am not worried. Unless they interfer with my life, then they can go to hell and back in court. We have a Data Protection Act in the UK, if they breach that the fan will be put on full power.
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  5.    23 Apr 2017 #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by elbmek View Post
    If I am not doing anything illegal except voices my opinions, I am not worried. Unless they interfer with my life, then they can go to hell and back in court. We have a Data Protection Act in the UK, if they breach that the fan will be put on full power.
    But, you have to catch them in the breach, before you can do anything about it.... you don't know what you don't know.
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  6.    25 Apr 2017 #46

    Quote Originally Posted by simrick View Post
    But, you have to catch them in the breach, before you can do anything about it.... you don't know what you don't know.
    Hi folks

    old saying -- not sure where it came from but still valid today.

    "What the eye doesn't see --the mind doesn't grieve over".

    I'm quite sure that the activities of a fairly rural "animal" like me approaching retirement (actually have already stopped doing "Full time work" and am a lot more selective with my gigs these days) -- would BORE the pants off any young idealistic fired up person working in the NSA -- what on earth would they DO with that data -- do they really care whether I buy Scented Loo paper or not etc -- I'm sure they could flog that info to the Chinese for an absolute Fortune. !!

    My main objection is when Police or whatever Govt agency need more - usually unspecified powers - and gets them because some political bigwig decrees that they must have then "in the Name of National Security" without there being anything in place as to what "National Security" actually means !! or also without a legitimate debate amongst elected representatives in a parliament / assembly etc from all parties as to whether the Nation state is really being threatened.

    I'm sure we all know the difference between a possible war footing where genuine emergency actions can and should be taken by the Govt of the day -- but a vague "In the interests of National Security" is a much more troubling potential mis-use of powers - or certainly could be.

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  7.    25 Apr 2017 #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi folks

    old saying -- not sure where it came from but still valid today.

    "What the eye doesn't see --the mind doesn't grieve over".

    I'm quite sure that the activities of a fairly rural "animal" like me approaching retirement (actually have already stopped doing "Full time work" and am a lot more selective with my gigs these days) -- would BORE the pants off any young idealistic fired up person working in the NSA -- what on earth would they DO with that data -- do they really care whether I buy Scented Loo paper or not etc -- I'm sure they could flog that info to the Chinese for an absolute Fortune. !!

    My main objection is when Police or whatever Govt agency need more - usually unspecified powers - and gets them because some political bigwig decrees that they must have then "in the Name of National Security" without there being anything in place as to what "National Security" actually means !! or also without a legitimate debate amongst elected representatives in a parliament / assembly etc from all parties as to whether the Nation state is really being threatened.

    I'm sure we all know the difference between a possible war footing where genuine emergency actions can and should be taken by the Govt of the day -- but a vague "In the interests of National Security" is a much more troubling potential mis-use of powers - or certainly could be.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Couldn't have said it better Jimbo.
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  8.    25 Apr 2017 #48
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    We've all heard this quoted or paraphrased but Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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  9.    25 Apr 2017 #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi folks

    old saying -- not sure where it came from but still valid today.

    "What the eye doesn't see --the mind doesn't grieve over".

    I'm quite sure that the activities of a fairly rural "animal" like me approaching retirement (actually have already stopped doing "Full time work" and am a lot more selective with my gigs these days) -- would BORE the pants off any young idealistic fired up person working in the NSA -- what on earth would they DO with that data -- do they really care whether I buy Scented Loo paper or not etc -- I'm sure they could flog that info to the Chinese for an absolute Fortune. !!

    My main objection is when Police or whatever Govt agency need more - usually unspecified powers - and gets them because some political bigwig decrees that they must have then "in the Name of National Security" without there being anything in place as to what "National Security" actually means !! or also without a legitimate debate amongst elected representatives in a parliament / assembly etc from all parties as to whether the Nation state is really being threatened.

    I'm sure we all know the difference between a possible war footing where genuine emergency actions can and should be taken by the Govt of the day -- but a vague "In the interests of National Security" is a much more troubling potential mis-use of powers - or certainly could be.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Very well stated, Jim. With Trump in office we're trying to basically do what your country did > Drain the swamp and start all over. Politically and legally we are so far from our beloved Constitution it's pathetic. Time to mop up the slime.
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  10.    25 Apr 2017 #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWGilley View Post
    We've all heard this quoted or paraphrased but Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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