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  1.    13 Sep 2016 #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    That shouldn't really be a concern. You can access bitlocker encrypted drives from Linux or WindowsPE (Marcium gives you this option for example when you make recovery disk) and Windows home will unlock external drives encrypted by Bitlocker to Go.

    windows - How to access a BitLocker-encrypted drive in Linux? - Super User
    Bitlocker in WinPE
    Adding BitLocker support to Windows PE - KnowledgeBase - Macrium Reflect Knowledgebase
    Solved Reading a BitLocker Encrypted USB in Windows 10 Home - Windows 10 Forums
    Good to know. I might change my protection method in future.
    Currently I have about 20-30 private documents to protect so my very simple method will do the job.
    But I hope my business will expand and soon zipping files might not be solution.

    Never heard about this Macrium. I will read on it.
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  2.    13 Sep 2016 #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Well, TrueCrypt is no longer supported by it's authors, who left with a cryptic message that indicated it was no longer secure, and couldn't be fixed. If VeraCrypt is based on TrueCrypt, i'd have to be skeptical that they've fixed whatever mysterious problem the original team refused to discuss.
    There was no mysterious problem with TrueCrypt. The message is more or less just a warning so user wouldn't be at risk of using a program that is no longer updated. There is a Tin Foil Hat rumor that they were forced to shutdown TrueCrypt because Snowden had used it on his computer and it couldn't be cracked. I have switched to VeraCrypt to keep copies of such things as our S.S. numbers, D.L. numbers and other personal info so I can have access to this info if needed but other people can't.
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  3.    13 Sep 2016 #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    That shouldn't really be a concern. You can access bitlocker encrypted drives from Linux or WindowsPE (Marcium gives you this option for example when you make recovery disk) and Windows home will unlock external drives encrypted by Bitlocker to Go.

    windows - How to access a BitLocker-encrypted drive in Linux? - Super User
    Bitlocker in WinPE
    Adding BitLocker support to Windows PE - KnowledgeBase - Macrium Reflect Knowledgebase
    Solved Reading a BitLocker Encrypted USB in Windows 10 Home - Windows 10 Forums
    Accessing Bitlocker in another OS is one thing. I don't use it so I don't know if you can or not. What if for example someone is using Windows 10 Home and they need to encrypt something. How is Bitlocker going to Help? I'm not for or against any of these encryption programs. I'm just giving a what if example.
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  4.    14 Sep 2016 #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    There was no mysterious problem with TrueCrypt. The message is more or less just a warning so user wouldn't be at risk of using a program that is no longer updated. There is a Tin Foil Hat rumor that they were forced to shutdown TrueCrypt because Snowden had used it on his computer and it couldn't be cracked. I have switched to VeraCrypt to keep copies of such things as our S.S. numbers, D.L. numbers and other personal info so I can have access to this info if needed but other people can't.
    Really? Is that why when you go to the TrueCrypt page there is a giant red text at the top that says, quite explicitly "WARNING: using TrueCrypt is not secure". Do you believe yourself to be smarter than the authors?

    By the way, more details from the Wikipedia page (which is inconsistent, about the subject).

    According to a study released September 29, 2015, TrueCrypt includes two vulnerabilities in the driver that TrueCrypt installs on Windows systems allowing an attacker full system compromise
    VeraCrypt claims to have fixed these vulnerabilities, but obviously if these were the problems the original authors referred to they wouldn't have just abandoned the project as unfixable.

    What's more, the only remaining original developer of TrueCrypt that has weighed in on the matter (Matthew Green) has refused to relicense the code under a real open source license (VeraCrypt's legality in this regard is questionable, because it's based on the TrueCrypt source and the license has been found to be questionable as to whether it legally allows modification), and believes that the original code should not be forked because of its inherent problems, and any person who wishes to pursue a new version should "start from scratch" in their words.
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  5.    14 Sep 2016 #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    Accessing Bitlocker in another OS is one thing. I don't use it so I don't know if you can or not. What if for example someone is using Windows 10 Home and they need to encrypt something. How is Bitlocker going to Help? I'm not for or against any of these encryption programs. I'm just giving a what if example.
    The OP's concern was if they used bitlocker to encrypt files and then later moved to home (or another OS) they couldn't access these encrypted files and that they would be lost.

    This isn't the case - they could access them (so the documents wouldn't be lost) - they just could not encrypt new things.

    For a user using Windows Home using bitlocker to encrypt things isn't an option. To encrypt using bitlocker you need Pro or Enterprise. although you can read/write bitlocker volumes from OSX or Linux using this GitHub - Aorimn/dislocker .

    There is one slight caveat - some devices use device encryption which is based on bitlocker and this works in all Windows editions (including Home) to encrypt local fixed drives only. It has a whole list of pre-requisites and I don't know anything apart from Surface Pro line that uses it - but then I've not looked.
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  6.    14 Sep 2016 #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    There is one slight caveat - some devices use device encryption which is based on bitlocker and this works in all Windows editions (including Home) to encrypt local fixed drives only. It has a whole list of pre-requisites and I don't know anything apart from Surface Pro line that uses it - but then I've not looked.
    Agreed - people often forget device encryption.

    I do have a tablet which came with Windows 8.1 (and was *much* cheaper than a Surface Pro) which supports device encryption, although I had to turn on Secure Boot (one of those pre-requisites) to make it work.
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  7.    14 Sep 2016 #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Really? Is that why when you go to the TrueCrypt page there is a giant red text at the top that says, quite explicitly "WARNING: using TrueCrypt is not secure". Do you believe yourself to be smarter than the authors?

    By the way, more details from the Wikipedia page (which is inconsistent, about the subject).



    VeraCrypt claims to have fixed these vulnerabilities, but obviously if these were the problems the original authors referred to they wouldn't have just abandoned the project as unfixable.

    What's more, the only remaining original developer of TrueCrypt that has weighed in on the matter (Matthew Green) has refused to relicense the code under a real open source license (VeraCrypt's legality in this regard is questionable, because it's based on the TrueCrypt source and the license has been found to be questionable as to whether it legally allows modification), and believes that the original code should not be forked because of its inherent problems, and any person who wishes to pursue a new version should "start from scratch" in their words.
    I still stand by my statement that it's a warning that TrueCrypt is unsafe to use because it is no longer being developed. And no I don't think I'm smarter than the author. I am smart enough to read and understand the warning. This right from the page "WARNING: Using TrueCrypt is not secure as it may contain unfixed security issues". TrueCrypt . Wikipedia! Isn't that the website most people take with a grain of salt unless it says the same thing they are saying?
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  8.    14 Sep 2016 #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    I still stand by my statement that it's a warning that TrueCrypt is unsafe to use because it is no longer being developed. And no I don't think I'm smarter than the author. I am smart enough to read and understand the warning. This right from the page "WARNING: Using TrueCrypt is not secure as it may contain unfixed security issues". TrueCrypt . Wikipedia! Isn't that the website most people take with a grain of salt unless it says the same thing they are saying?
    Wikipedia is a fine source as long as the information is sourced, which in this case is.
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  9.    14 Sep 2016 #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Wikipedia is a fine source as long as the information is sourced, which in this case is.
    Sourced or not it still doesn't change the fact that the warning about TrueCrypt not being secure is because it was abandoned by the developer and is no longer updated.
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  10.    15 Sep 2016 #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    Sourced or not it still doesn't change the fact that the warning about TrueCrypt not being secure is because it was abandoned by the developer and is no longer updated.
    There is factual data from a scientific study that says otherwise. VeraCrypt themselves have stated that they have fixed these vulnerabilities that were in TrueCrypt.

    I simply cannot fathom how you can put your head in the sand and keep saying that it's just conspiracy theories.
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