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  1. Posts : 16,489
    Win10 Pro, Win10 Pro N, Win10 Home, Win10 Pro Insider Fast Ring, Windows 8.1 Pro, Ubuntu
       08 Dec 2016 #201

    The only thing I did not like at all about the install process is, there was NO selection to not except the trial version, I only want the on-demand scanner and the anti-exploit, nothing else, now I have to try and figure out the settings for that, which I believe I have.

    With the trial I was getting a very annoying constant pop up for a false positive, and they don't have a one-click solution for exclusions, and you need to jump through hoops for that. Not good at all.
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  2. Posts : 824
    Win10/64 Pro 1511 (and 2 Win 7/64 Ult & Pro systems)
       09 Dec 2016 #202

    Hi:

    Cliff S said: View Post
    The only thing I did not like at all about the install process is, there was NO selection to not except the trial version,
    That sucks. One used to be be able to opt-out of the Trial during the setup wizard.
    Are you sure there was no way to do that?

    If one cannot opt out, they are certainly treating MB3 like Win10.
    This is not good - they are being too aggressive with this new, unpolished product.
    I would probably report that or request restoration of the trial opt-out over at their forum.

    I only want the on-demand scanner and the anti-exploit, nothing else, now I have to try and figure out the settings for that, which I believe I have.
    Well, that is to be expected, I suppose.
    Every time I upgrade to a new major version of KIS, I need to reconfigure it.
    You might try to fully enable all the features, just to see what happens, especially if you have a 3rd-party AV.

    With the trial I was getting a very annoying constant pop up for a false positive, and they don't have a one-click solution for exclusions, and you need to jump through hoops for that. Not good at all.
    That has been a problem for a while.
    There is still (I assume) a quick way to add a blocked website to exclusions, from the system tray popup.
    But I don't think there's a "one-click" way to add a malware exclusion.
    It's a pain, but it's probably safer that way.
    And, yes, it's also cumbersome to report a possible F/P. Nothing new there.

    There are already quite a few, new side-by-side compatibility issues being reported: Webroot and TM are just the latest.
    I think we will see more of these, unfortunately.
    Unless they can be resolved, it's hard to understand how the claims will hold up that MB3 can run alongside a real AV.
    TBH it never made sense that MB3 could be BOTH a sole security selection ("AV replacement") AND a souped-up anti-malware to run along with a real AV. That would be a "first" and it seems that it may not "last"...

    I'm also troubled by the as yet unsubstantiated claim that MB3 "surpasses" all other traditional AVs and "makes antivirus obsolete". Their unpublished, internal tests might lead them to such conclusions. But until this "AV replacement" holds up head-to-head against fully-flagged AVs in objective, outside testing, they are only marketing taglines.

    The aggressively rushed timeline (shipping a Beta build that was known to be unstable as a "release" version and the plan to push MBAM 2 & each future version to EOS/EOL in only 6 months), the inability to decline the Trial (if that is really true), and other aggressive marketing strategies are unprecedented and worrisome.

    At this rate, given MB3's long list of known issues, feature regressions, resource consumption issues and compatibility problems, I wonder if they will be able to adhere to their own hasty life-cycle promise: MB3 may only just be barely stable enough for general consumption in time for them to mothball MBAM2.

    The "what", the "when" and the "how" of current events deeply dismay this long-standing, lifetime license holder.
    I hope things improve, especially for us customers and end-users whose $$ support this top-notch company & its fine products.

    MM
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  3. Posts : 9,018
    Windows 10 Enterprise and Pro/Windows 7 Enterprise/Linux Mint
       09 Dec 2016 #203

    If you play around with the settings long enough, you can make it a free version. I just don't recall exactly how I did it. I know I tried to disable everything that requires the paid version. I just don't recall which setting worked.

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  4. Posts : 824
    Win10/64 Pro 1511 (and 2 Win 7/64 Ult & Pro systems)
       09 Dec 2016 #204

    Hi:

    essenbe said: View Post
    If you play around with the settings long enough, you can make it a free version. I just don't recall exactly how I did it. I know I tried to disable everything that requires the paid version. I just don't recall which setting worked.
    That's good to know.
    With MBAM2, there were at least 4 ways to end the Trial, 3 of which involved only a mouse-click or two.
    It seems they are playing hardball with MB3, foisting the Trial on users who do not want it.

    It's fine that they are resetting for each user the "1 Trial per PC per Major Program Version" counter.
    Everyone who wants to try the new program ought to have a chance to do so.

    And I understand the marketing strategy behind the change to mandatory Trial.
    But I do not care for it. I don't know of any other major security software vendor that forces users to use a Trial.
    "Trial" connotes a voluntary choice by the user, not a mandatory process.

    This is all starting to sound a bit like a recent major OS upgrade mandate from a company in Redmond, WA.
    THAT went over so well.
    Not.

    Sigh. This is all very depressing.

    MM
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  5. Posts : 9,018
    Windows 10 Enterprise and Pro/Windows 7 Enterprise/Linux Mint
       09 Dec 2016 #205

    As I am sure you know, the Trial is for 14 days and at the end of the 14 days it reverts to Free. But, you can configure it to be free now. I have another OS with the Lifetime License that is activated. This is MB's showing of the differences between the Free and Premium version, which may tell you what to disable to revert from Trial to Free. I wish I could remember exactly what I did. I do recall I started off trying to disable all features that require the premium version.

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  6. Posts : 824
    Win10/64 Pro 1511 (and 2 Win 7/64 Ult & Pro systems)
       09 Dec 2016 #206

    Hi:

    Thanks for clarification and for the screenshot (I have no VM or test box on which to load MB3).

    Yep, I understand that it's possible to get out of the Trial and that it should revert to Free after 14 days.

    I was merely saying that:
    • It was possible with previous versions to opt-out of the Trial entirely during the setup wizard (no muss, no fuss); AND
    • There were previously at least two, one-click ways to END the Trial (from a GUI link and from a system tray popup link), as well as by just letting it run out or by cleanly reinstalling the program
      • The reversion to Free after 14 days was VERY buggy in MBAM2. Many users had to cleanly reinstall the program to rid themselves of leftover settings and other erratic behavior. With any luck, it will work better in 3.



    If what you all say is true, then the Trial is now MANDATORY and (other than reinstalling the program or waiting the 14 days) there is no easy way to get out of it.

    That would be new and I disapprove of the strong-arm tactic.

    Cheers,
    MM
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  7. Posts : 9,018
    Windows 10 Enterprise and Pro/Windows 7 Enterprise/Linux Mint
       09 Dec 2016 #207

    MoxieMomma said: View Post
    Hi:

    Thanks for clarification and for the screenshot (I have no VM or test box on which to load MB3).

    Yep, I understand that it's possible to get out of the Trial and that it should revert to Free after 14 days.

    I was merely saying that:
    • It was possible with previous versions to opt-out of the Trial entirely during the setup wizard (no muss, no fuss); AND
    • There were previously at least two, one-click ways to END the Trial (from a GUI link and from a system tray popup link), as well as by just letting it run out or by cleanly reinstalling the program
      • The reversion to Free after 14 days was VERY buggy in MBAM2. Many users had to cleanly reinstall the program to rid themselves of leftover settings and other erratic behavior. With any luck, it will work better in 3.



    If what you all say is true, then the Trial is now MANDATORY and (other than reinstalling the program or waiting the 14 days) there is no easy way to get out of it.

    That would be new and I disapprove of the strong-arm tactic.

    Cheers,
    MM
    I can't disagree with any of that.
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  8.    09 Dec 2016 #208

    Well what I wanted to do with MB3 was have complete control over when it starts and turning it completely off. I have done this successfully now. MB3 is not completely stable in my opinion yet, and I run other protection apps anyhow.
    This means control over Malwarebytes Service and Malwarebytes Tray Application. Which now does not come on at bootup. When I want to turn MB3 on, its just a click of the mouse, and when I exit MB3 it closes, leaving Nothing running in the back ground. ( Malwarebytes Service) I've never had to do this with MB2 as I never had any issues or problems with MB2.
    I have run it many times this way now, and MB3 runs and scans just fine. So now I can compare on just how good a job MB3 is doing finding pup's , malware, etc, compared to some other programs.
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  9. Posts : 824
    Win10/64 Pro 1511 (and 2 Win 7/64 Ult & Pro systems)
       09 Dec 2016 #209

    Hi:

    Yes, I fully understand and concur with having user control.
    I am very disappointed to see that they are hacking away at that, compared to previous versions.

    Having said that, messing around with the "services" is liable at some point to create instability or performance problems.
    It's certainly not something anyone would recommend or that their people would support.
    If it breaks the program, you're pretty much on your own.
    If you're OK with that, then that's more than OK with me.
    I just point it out.

    Back in the day (up to the current 2.2.1.1043), there was no need to distrust or to fiddle.
    MBAM did its job well of LAYERED, COMPLEMENTARY protection (along with a robust AV) against certain types of mostly non-viral malware threats, especially zero-day and zero-hour. There was little or no need to tweak settings, especially the start of real-time protection.

    The increasing complexity of their new "one-product-does-it-all" application, coupled with its current instability, necessitates a bit of situational awareness by users.

    I am trying hard to like this new product, the way in which it was released, and they way in which they support all of their software. I hope they will soon make that EASIER, rather than HARDER.

    MM
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  10. Posts : 15,511
    Win 7 32, Win 7 64 Pro, Win 8.1 64 Pro, Win 10 64 Education Edition
       09 Dec 2016 #210

    Not sure I like it because it has to be running in order for MBAE to be active. Will MBAE continue to run when the trail period is over? I may go back to the older version until they've ironed out the probs. Seriously, give us a choice to turn off the trial & go to free.

    One odd behavior I have noted, it seems to interact with NoScript somehow. A couple of sites I normally go to would not load because NoScript blocked them with ABE. When MBAM is turned off, those pages load fine.

    What's ABE?

    For now I have it turned off & will run a scan later. I was going to let it run a scan while I went out but I have a feeling I should probably be here to babysit it, just in case.
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