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  1.    08 Dec 2016 #191
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    In the sales stuff they have sent to me they say it's an antivirus replacement...

    So, I can replace my traditional antivirus?
    Yes! As I said above, over 50% of our customers already have too. We believe in layered defense and built Malwarebytes 3.0 to provide the right mix of proactive and signature-less technologies to combat modern threats and zero-day malware. The combination of our Anti-Malware, Anti-Exploit, Anti-Ransomware, Website Protection, and Remediation technologies has you better covered against modern threats than the traditional antivirus companies that charge more for less effective protection.


    Can I still run Malwarebytes alongside my Symantec, McAfee, etc.?

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    Iím an existing subscriber of Malwarebytes Anti-Malware. How much do I have to pay?
    You donít have to pay anything extra. Even though Malwarebytes 3.0 sells for $39.99, we are grandfathering ALL our existing customers at their original price. So if your subscription is currently $24.95, that is the price it will remain at, and you can get Malwarebytes 3.0 without having to pay anything extra. Your existing license key will work automatically with Malwarebytes 3.0.

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    Which Operating Systems does Malwarebytes 3.0 work under?

    We continue to support all versions from Windows XP to Windows 10. Our Anti-Ransomware technology is only enabled on Windows 7 and higher.


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    How do I upgrade to Malwarebytes 3.0 if I also have Anti-Exploit or Anti-Ransomware installed?

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    Iím a business customer and I want Malwarebytes 3.0! When can I get it?

    Small businesses that use the un-managed Malwarebytes Anti-Malware 1x or 2x versions can uninstall the old product and install the new Malwarebytes 3.0 Premium. The centrally managed Malwarebytes 3.0 will be shipping for business customers by early next year. Weíre very excited about some really cool endpoint protection management technologies we have in the pipeline for our business customers.
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  2.    08 Dec 2016 #192
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    That's why I removed Avira free
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  3.    08 Dec 2016 #193
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    Left Avast in on all systems for now, and updated Malwarebytes 2.x to 3.0 Free, so far working ok, except on custom scan on Windows 10 Desktop, started using all the memory suddenly, all I had open in background at the time was MS Edge
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  4.    08 Dec 2016 #194
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    You beat me John, as I was going to post the 1st paragraph, as I read the same thing in there forum.
    But.....I am still Leary of that statement. Think they might have rushed this final release out, just a little too early.
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  5.    08 Dec 2016 #195
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    Quote Originally Posted by z3r010 View Post
    In the sales stuff they have sent to me they say it's an antivirus replacement...
    Exactly my point.

    Same info as in the new, public FAQs, etc (I think our posts crossed in cyber-space).

    I don't want to further flagellate the deceased equine.
    But precision in language matters.
    Marketing materials are one thing.
    Real-world performance and testing are another.

    There's a difference between "antivirus replacement" and "antivirus".
    MB3 clearly has capabilities older versions lacked.
    But AFAIK there are still gaps.
    And it remains to be seen if it will be sufficient as a SOLE security application.
    That flies in the face of the longstanding recommendation to use a complementary approach.

    Either way, it appears that the old "we're not an AV, so the comparatives don't count" assertion may no longer hold.
    We shall see.

    If users are comfortable adopting it in the absence of favorable independent testing and at least a few stability/patch builds, that's more than fine with me.
    It's a great company and they have historically produced terrific products.
    I hope to someday try it, as well.

    Until then, I guess we can call it "MAR3" (Malwarebytes Antivirus Replacement 3).

    Equine now officially deceased. For the moment.

    Cheers,
    MM
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  6.    08 Dec 2016 #196
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    CORRECTION:
    Someone will correct me if I am wrong, but apparently, one CAN still disable automatic PROGRAM updates.
    That is a big relief.

    However, it is true that one can no longer schedule the time of scheduled update checks, only the INTERVAL for those checks. See HERE.
    Sadly, I suspect this is at least a partial result of the Daylight Saving Time scheduler bug that appeared at some point after version 2.x was released. It used to work OK in version 1.75. It broke early in version 2.x and was never fixed. Instead of fixing it for 3.0, as promised, they just dropped user scheduling for that task. Oh, well.

    It also appears there is a hard-baked "automatic" update check "shortly after the service starts, for example, after rebooting your system". It appears that there is no user control over that, either.
    I sure hope it won't create issues for systems that are installing Windows Updates or other major software patches, especially in Win10, where most home users have no control over WU. It could create conflicts -- especially for slower systems -- if WU + an AV + MB3 were all loading and "updating" at the same time?

    In other good news, it looks as if the childish smileys have been replaced by baby talk -- it's now "Awesome!" (note the exclamation) when your system is protected. As long as it works, I guess we must endure the GUI silliness.

    Cheers,
    MM
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  7.    08 Dec 2016 #197
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoxieMomma View Post
    CORRECTION:
    Someone will correct me if I am wrong, but apparently, one CAN still disable automatic PROGRAM updates.
    That is a big relief.

    However, it is true that one can no longer schedule the time of scheduled update checks, only the INTERVAL for those checks. See HERE.
    Sadly, I suspect this is at least a partial result of the Daylight Saving Time scheduler bug that appeared at some point after version 2.x was released. It used to work OK in version 1.75. It broke early in version 2.x and was never fixed. Instead of fixing it for 3.0, as promised, they just dropped user scheduling for that task. Oh, well.

    It also appears there is a hard-baked "automatic" update check "shortly after the service starts, for example, after rebooting your system". It appears that there is no user control over that, either.
    I sure hope it won't create issues for systems that are installing Windows Updates or other major software patches, especially in Win10, where most home users have no control over WU. It could create conflicts -- especially for slower systems -- if WU + an AV + MB3 were all loading and "updating" at the same time?
    Cheers,
    MM
    You have options to turn off MB3 from starting up at boot, Or delay MB3's boot up time. If MB3 is not running its service, then it can't check for updates. There are others ways to turn off MB3 services too. But sure looks like MB3 does give the user options.
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  8.    08 Dec 2016 #198
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    Hi:

    ^^ Yes, you are right. ^^

    But that's not quite what I'm talking about.

    The settings to disable MB3 starting at system start control real-time protection.
    That is not new.
    That setting has been around since v1 and was added because -- back then -- some slow systems had trouble booting when MBAM tried to start at boot up, especially if there was a resource-intensive AV, low-end specs, etc..
    If one disables the start with Windows or sets a delay, one is actually turning off real-time protection during that time.
    So, the protection is reduced.
    In general, few folks have needed to use that for a long while now (I'm surprised it's still there).
    And it's not recommended to delay the start of real-time protection (especially if MB3 is the SOLE protection), because the computer will not be protected during that vulnerable time.

    What I am talking about is an automatic UPDATE CHECK, which according to THIS POST happens at some (unspecified) time after system start:

    Malwarebytes will always kick off an update check shortly after the service starts, for example, after rebooting your system.
    That is a new "regression" (sort of), because the user cannot control when that first, automatic update check happens.
    Up until now, update checks could be scheduled both with the INTERVAL (as is still the case) and the ACTUAL TIME (e.g. hourly on the half hour) (as is no longer the case). Now, it's only an "interval" setting and there is no control over this initial "update-on-startup" setting.

    My point is that MB3, one's AV AND Windows could all be "updating" at roughly the same, busy time early after a system start. And, unless automatic program updates are disabled, MB3 might be updating both databases AND the program itself.

    Win10 home users - in particular - already have little/no control over Windows Updates.
    For many, WU runs overnight or at a time when the user is not there to control other programs, such as MB3.
    Adding an automatic update check for MB3 soon after system start over which the user also has no control seems like a potential source of problems.
    (Even worse, many basic users will not know to disable or temporarily uninstall their security apps during a MAJOR upgrade, e.g. to AU.)

    With all the known issues with these major Win10 upgrades, it just seems like a bad, new idea. The old way was better and afforded the user complete control over MBAM's update schedule.

    So, yes, one can (but probably should not) delay or disable the real-time protection from starting with Windows.
    Doing so disables system protection during that interval.
    What I was reporting was a NEW, undesirable feature wherein the user has no control over an automatic update check upon system start.

    Yep, it's confusing....
    Sorry if I did not explain things well.

    Thanks,
    MM
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  9.    08 Dec 2016 #199
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoxieMomma View Post
    Hi:

    ^^ Yes, you are right. ^^

    But that's not quite what I'm talking about.

    The settings to disable MB3 starting at system start control real-time protection.
    That is not new.
    That setting has been around since v1 and was added because -- back then -- some slow systems had trouble booting when MBAM tried to start at boot up, especially if there was a resource-intensive AV, low-end specs, etc..
    If one disables the start with Windows or sets a delay, one is actually turning off real-time protection during that time.
    So, the protection is reduced.
    In general, few folks have needed to use that for a long while now (I'm surprised it's still there).
    And it's not recommended to delay the start of real-time protection (especially if MB3 is the SOLE protection), because the computer will not be protected during that vulnerable time.

    What I am talking about is an automatic UPDATE CHECK, which according to THIS POST happens at some (unspecified) time after system start:



    That is a new "regression" (sort of), because the user cannot control when that first, automatic update check happens.
    Up until now, update checks could be scheduled both with the INTERVAL (as is still the case) and the ACTUAL TIME (e.g. hourly on the half hour) (as is no longer the case). Now, it's only an "interval" setting and there is no control over this initial "update-on-startup" setting.

    My point is that MB3, one's AV AND Windows could all be "updating" at roughly the same, busy time early after a system start. And, unless automatic program updates are disabled, MB3 might be updating both databases AND the program itself.

    Win10 home users - in particular - already have little/no control over Windows Updates.
    For many, WU runs overnight or at a time when the user is not there to control other programs, such as MB3.
    Adding an automatic update check for MB3 soon after system start over which the user also has no control seems like a potential source of problems.
    (Even worse, many basic users will not know to disable or temporarily uninstall their security apps during a MAJOR upgrade, e.g. to AU.)

    With all the known issues with these major Win10 upgrades, it just seems like a bad, new idea. The old way was better and afforded the user complete control over MBAM's update schedule.

    So, yes, one can (but probably should not) delay or disable the real-time protection from starting with Windows.
    Doing so disables system protection during that interval.
    What I was reporting was a NEW, undesirable feature wherein the user has no control over an automatic update check upon system start.

    Yep, it's confusing....
    Sorry if I did not explain things well.

    Thanks,
    MM
    Well maybe its my fault too MM, not explaining myself enough. My point I was trying to make is, the user can turn off MB3's SERVICES from starting up at bootup, which means MB can not check for any updates. Now, MB also claims that it can run along side AV programs, such as Nortons for example, which is a firewall and AV program, which does protect the user, with or without MB3. MB3 stills runs while other protection programs are also running, at least they claim to be able to co-exist. I would never run JUST MB3 myself, and would not recommend anyone too, but its the users choice. Plus, MB3 is still working out their bugs in this release still. I've been playing with a few settings, testing MB3 and its services, just to see what a user has to do, to stop MB's services from starting up at boot. It was a little trickier than I thought. But, it can be done will a little effort. No service running, means no automatic update of any kind unless you start MB up manually. And thats just a click of the mouse.
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  10.    08 Dec 2016 #200
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    Hi:

    Alas, I have neither a test box nor a VM to play around.

    But if I understand your last post correctly, you are tweaking MB3's services from the "services" (MS common console).

    THAT, I know for a fact, has been strongly discouraged since the days of version 1.
    If the user wants to disable/delay startup, it ought to be done from the GUI.
    It's perfectly fine to play around with the settings for testing purposes.
    But, having spent more than 6 years working at their forum, I can confidently suggest that messing around in "services.msc" will be a bad idea.
    It was bad for v1 and v2. With all the complexity of MB3, it will probably be worse.

    I don't honestly know for sure that delaying or disabling real-time protection will have any impact on postponing that new, automatic, uncontrollable update check that happens "soon after system start".
    Since it is a new feature and since it is NOT handled by the scheduler, I have no idea.
    It stands to reason that it might stop the update check, but I won't wager my Starbucks stars on that.
    Too many unknowns with this new program...

    If you figure it out or find out, let us know.

    Cheers,
    MM

    P.S. I, too, do not believe in sole protection. Until today, neither did the folks at Malwarebytes. But Malwarebytes is now pushing very hard on their "AV replacement" slogan. It remains to be seen if it will be or if -- in a seeming contradiction -- it will still run side-by-side with a robust AV. I am waiting until the dust settles.
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