Windows 10: Is Microsoft trying to lock out 3rd party software

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  1. Posts : 13
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       26 Feb 2016 #1

    Is Microsoft trying to lock out 3rd party software


    From Gab Aul:

    • If you have Kaspersky Anti-Virus, Internet Security, or the Kaspersky Total Security Suite installed on your PC there is a known driver bug that prevents these programs from working as expected in builds from the Development Branch. We are partnering with Kaspersky to fix this issue for a future release, but at this time there are no known workarounds. While this issue is present, we recommend using Windows Defender or another third party anti-virus product of your choice to remain protected.
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  2. Posts : 4,765
    windows 10 Home threshold2
       26 Feb 2016 #2

    I am not a Windows fan boy. In fact, I have no qualm if I have to switch to Android..... today.
    However, let's be fair.
    Microsoft has no obligation to make its operating systems, Windows 10 in this case, compatible with 3rd party programs.
    It is incumbent upon the 3rd party manufacturers to make sure their products are compatible with Windows 10, IF they want their products to be used by Windows 10 owners.

    The excerpt says MS is "partnering" with Kaspersky to solve the problem.
    What else do we expect MS to do ?
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  3.    26 Feb 2016 #3

    The problem became well-known to me not too long ago: My MS Office 2016 lost lots of functionality as long as any 3rd party firewall, anti-virus, anti-malware programs were detected. If only Windows Firewall and MSE and WD was running - Office 2016 worked just fine.
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  4.    26 Feb 2016 #4

    All they can do is work to solve the problems. What else do you expect them to do - give out free coffee and donuts ??
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  5.    26 Feb 2016 #5

    bobsabo said: View Post
    From Gab Aul:

    • If you have Kaspersky Anti-Virus, Internet Security, or the Kaspersky Total Security Suite installed on your PC there is a known driver bug that prevents these programs from working as expected in builds from the Development Branch. We are partnering with Kaspersky to fix this issue for a future release, but at this time there are no known workarounds. While this issue is present, we recommend using Windows Defender or another third party anti-virus product of your choice to remain protected.
    This does not seem even remotely like Microsoft is trying to lock out third party software. In fact quite the opposite. It is the responsibility of the software supplier to make their software compatible with the OS. Writing devoice drivers is difficult and at the present time Kaspersky is having problems doing so. To make Kaspersky products compatible with Windows 10 Microsoft is providing them extra support. They have no responsibility to do this. Until the software is fully compatible with Windows 10 Microsoft does not recommend these products. This is the responsible thing to do.

    Microsoft could not possibly provide even a small percentage of the software users require. No one knows this better than Microsoft. They prefer to concentrate on the OS itself and leave most software to third parties. They do provide some essentials that most people will require, such as AV protection. But the user can opt for third party software if they so choose. This is a good thing and is fully recognized by Microsoft.
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  6. Posts : 4,765
    windows 10 Home threshold2
       26 Feb 2016 #6

    RolandJS said: View Post
    The problem became well-known to me not too long ago: My MS Office 2016 lost lots of functionality as long as any 3rd party firewall, anti-virus, anti-malware programs were detected. If only Windows Firewall and MSE and WD was running - Office 2016 worked just fine.
    1. That only indicates there is compatibility issue between Office 2016 and the 3rd party products. That does not mean MS is intentionally trying to block them out.

    2. Office 2016 is by Microsoft. Of course MS would make sure it works in Windows OS.

    3. There are untold number of Office 2016 users and I do not notice there are threads describing problems as you have mentioned.
    Perhaps, the problem is an isolated case to just a few ?
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  7.    26 Feb 2016 #7

    I never used any anti-virus software, the built-in Windows defender and firewall seem to be good enough. As the OS evolves, certain software / features will be integrated into the core OS. Whether this is legal or not is dependent on the specific cases. Usually it affects small software companies more than big Microsoft competitors. For example, Microsoft is unlikely to block Google's Chrome.
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  8.    26 Feb 2016 #8

    Microsoft is legally very limited in what software it can include with Windows. Starting with Vista as a requirement for sale within the European Union Microsoft created a special N version of Windows that did not include Windows Media Player and similar programs. This wasn't a matter of Microsoft blocking competing products. The mere fact that Microsoft included these programs with Windows was seen as giving them an unfair competitive advantage. This wasn't the first time Microsoft has similar problems. How can a third party sell it's products if Windows supplies it for free?

    Aside from the massive legal problems it would create, Microsoft has no desire to block third party software. One of the reasons why Windows is so popular is the huge amount of software available for it, most of it provided by third parties. Third party software is just good for business.

    Microsoft has a long history of trying very hard to maintain compatibility with older software, even when the developers broke well documented rules regarding what should not be done. But there is only so much that can be done and much of this software will not run. But don't confuse this with a deliberate attempt to block this software. That is not it at all.
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  9. Posts : 13
    Win7Pro SP1 64 bit
    Thread Starter
       27 Feb 2016 #9

    Antivirus issues


    Thank you for your replies. I should have mentioned that I am using the latest preview (evaluation) build 14271. Kaspersky worked in earlier builds but not in 14267 nor 14271.

    Office 2016 (Home and Business) and Outlook 2016 are working fine.
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  10.    27 Feb 2016 #10

    bobsabo said: View Post
    From Gab Aul:

    • If you have Kaspersky Anti-Virus, Internet Security, or the Kaspersky Total Security Suite installed on your PC there is a known driver bug that prevents these programs from working as expected in builds from the Development Branch. We are partnering with Kaspersky to fix this issue for a future release, but at this time there are no known workarounds. While this issue is present, we recommend using Windows Defender or another third party anti-virus product of your choice to remain protected.
    That's an issue that only applies to the latest insider build.
    Insider Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14271 - Windows 10 Forums

    Here's the screen shot of the issue in full context.
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