Need a new Anti-Virus.

That's the problem seen with most programs people point to and why I avoid those entirely! With VIPRE it alerts you to bugs before they can strike with an immediate intercept and quarantine of anything suspicious. I find that even with free utility apps that may see a toolbar for IE that gets flagged on the spot when simply opening up the folder the downloads go to.

If your av program doesn't detect things immediately when malicious code is present... You need a totally new program! Something isn't doing what it is supposed to. That is how to look for an av program that offers at least some degree of actual prevention rather then let you know: "hey you got a bug running around doing things!" OOPS! Too late! "Today's special: How to trash your system!"

jimbo45 said:

Hi there

why bother. !!!

Windows defender on W10 works fine -- anything else will either break the OS or make it run hideously slowly without any real benefit. Uninstall all that junk and just use Windows defender -- surf safely, don't reply or open spurious emails and don't give out too much personal info in social media and you'll be safe.

Cheers
jimbo

I agree on Defender.. I went back to using it., again.

The others can be more intrusive than I want or need.

My findings here have been the exact opposite! Does Defender bad sites with malicious coding you could run into on a simple Bing search for example? NO!

Does it screen downloads stashed away on a separate drive and detect anything suspicious as well as quarantine a download later to be found with some toolbar option checked off or a McAFail trial offer? NO!

It lacks as does most every other av program simply from not having any web filtering process which allows you run head on into bad sites with trojan downloaders dropped on you only reporting those after the fact not having that type of protections in place to begin with. That could well be the actual deal maker or breaker as far as just what WD is actually capable being that it's strictly a freebie tossed in for people who wouldn't know enough to try out any av or other type of security program to start with.

When you start counting too much on ANY program Whether that's Windows Defender or some other you have likely already lost the game! But you may only learn that one after something has had it's time on your machine! The point about "Common Sense" doesn't seem to be going over that well it appears!

Scams are a fast growing commodity on the web as well as bogus sites! Been to few and canceled a card or two when all appears legit at first! Cleaned off scam wares manually absolutely no av program even WD could remove. The paid for software here that includes a rather effective firewall as well as web filtering couldn't stop that one from getting on and ... Taking Over Completely!

The bogus "Windows Process Doctor" which was designed to block any access to the Taskmanager even with the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys tried was cleverly tucked into a sub folder under the owner's admin user account. Other fake trojans were scattered in different places on the drive to make it appear you needed to buy a bug remover from one particular place where the scam would take you!

That's called user interaction! While the initial bogey wouldn't allow itself to be deleted manually or even ownership taken over it could be moved to a new location and then once booted in Safe mode manually nuked off of the drive for good. Afterwards the av program's scanner simply picked up the rest and tossed them into quarantine! Where was Defender then? That wouldn't have prevented the "user interaction" when a kid simply clicked on the snare being a single link that saw the bomb drop on the laptop!

The gui for the scam ware was also very familiar at the time having been taken from the Advanced System Care program and a cross with gui the Windows Security Essentials uses. That was part of the gimic to make everything look authentic and get past any and all types of system protections! That one had to have seen a professional work up!

With the VIPRE Internet Security 2014 on the main on the 7 side with the 2015 likely now already updated to the 2016 on the 10 side of the dual boot as well as seeing the same on the mini tower used for test purposes the scans will start up and run regardless of what I am doing and not even intrude other then seeing the popup notification that disappears after so many seconds letting me know the scheduled scan is beginning. Unlike other programs including WD the foot print is very light and goes unnoticed without seeing that appear.

The person who first pointed me to VIPRE has always been 100% on the money with all types of thing being a mechanical engineer who has even done work for MS at times. Another former security analyst being a specialist in the field was asked what he preferred for an av program and came back with BitDefender av free + Zone Alarm(likely the free version of that as well) + common sense! People can argue until the moon falls into the ocean about what program is so much greater then the next and miss the one thing that applies to everything just in that one response only being "Common Sense" which will go much further then anything else!